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Mobile Biodiesel Processors from Verde Biofuel

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  • Our Mobile Biodiesel processors are available in a variety of sizes and produce up to 900 gallons every five days.


     

    Verde Biotrailer 1200 - 5' x 8'

    The bare bones work horse of our line-up, this mobile biodiesel processor has a more confined interior. It is very “user friendly” and capable of producing 300 gallons of biodiesel every 5 days.

    Learn More . . .

    Small sized Verde Biotrailer
     

    Verde Biotrailer 2400 - 6' x 12'

    The most processor for the money, this mobile biodiesel processing trailer produces 600 gallons of premium biodiesel every 5 days.

    Learn More . . .

    Medium sized Verde Biotrailer

     

     

    Verde Biotrailer 3600 - 8' x 16'

    This monster is made to continuously produce fuel on a large scale. With a 900 gallon per 5 day period, this 8’ X 16’ mobile biodiesel processor can supply fuel for almost any business.

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    Large Verde Biotrailer

    Titration Kit

    Biodiesel Starter Kit

    Upon purchase, your Verde Biotrailer can be delivered or picked up at our assembly location in Northern Arizona.

    Each unit comes with a starter titration kit, an owner’s manual and an instructional DVD. We also offer online support for additional questions.

    The average learning curve for a new VBT owner is roughly 8 hours.

    With Verde Biotrailers’ proprietary engineering and user-friendly process, thoroughly covered on the instructional DVD, your first batch of biodiesel will be ready for use in less than 30 hours.

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • Plastic tanks and a (visible) lack of secondary containment. PASS!

    "'To be neutral and to be passive is to collaborate with whatever is going on.' Democracy is not just a counting-up of votes, but a counting-up of actions.'" ~Howard Zinn

  • That is a pretty good deal I think. Let me run it by my financial advisor first. I am sure you have heard or them:

    Ben Dover

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    Dewey-Cheatam & Howell

    Dereck

  • Do you mean Dewey, Cheetum and Howe? Looks as though we have the same law firm. Don’t we all love our attorneys?

    Post a link to a better mobile processor and then we'll compare costs. 

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • Hello and thanks for your response. We do offer stainless steel tanks as an upgrade...Although we've been using plastic for years with no issues. Our heating and drying tanks are metal and as for the clarity issue, do your homework my friend, we have that covered.

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • hmmm. loks like a miniversion of our mobile biodiesel plant.. go to the media page for pix of our trailer mounted  biofuel production unit.

    we have built large moblie fuel (ethanol) production systems in the past including one for a government agency which we used as a mobile "how to "training tool that we took to  southern university campuses and other facilities way back in the gasohol days. when we held seminars under contract with the TVA.

     cardinal rule # one. use all stainless tanks and explosion proof pumps. I had a fellow in south carolina give me a tour of his biodiesel plant it had all poly tanks and very poor ventilation and cheap pumps, i warned him about possible problems, about a month later his plant blew up and the operator"s head was blown off... so much for cutting corners when building any type of fuel production facility.

     If one is to invest in the construction of any type of alternative fuel plant it is foolhardy to use black metal construction...

     corrosion sets in in an amazingly short time creating tremendous maintainence problems. and resale of a plant made of plastic or black metal is as low as selling any scrap metal while stainless tanks  and pipeing always bring in decent ROI.

    .with plants failing evry day due to foolhardy  or lacking due dillegence, considering resale value should always be a factor in design and planning of a alternative fuel production facility.

    Marc

     

  • Hello Marc,

    Thanks for you your reply. I was just checking out your website - very impressive!

    Stainless tanks and piping are available as an upgrade option on all of our units. Our units use explosion proof air pumps, powder coated heavy gauge steel heating and drying tanks and all tanks are vented to prevent vapor build-up. We are not using black metal piping in any of our units. Check pricing of any stainless units and the fluorinated polyethylene tanks employed in our trailers make lots of sense!  Our plastic tanks are approved for biodiesel production and we have used them for years to fuel our delivery vehicles at our sister company, Western Heritage Furniture, without any problems whatsoever.

    Respectfully,

    Jason Rogers

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • Verde Biofuel
    approved for biodiesel production

    Please provide proof of this statement. Flatly, I know this is not true in all states.

    Verde Biofuel
    fluorinated polyethylene tanks

    are chemically resistant, but still burn very quickly and are easy to rupture. They are not safe.

    I question any manufacturer that makes "safe" an option (or upgrade).

    "'To be neutral and to be passive is to collaborate with whatever is going on.' Democracy is not just a counting-up of votes, but a counting-up of actions.'" ~Howard Zinn

  • Verde Biofuel
    units use explosion proof air pumps,

    Not exactly true unless you're advertising your product using images that aren't of your product. From your own site:

    Note the bottom right corner of the image. That's NOT and air pump and it's NOT explosion proof. Safety should not be an option or upgrade.

    More:

    Note, bottom left image - another electric pump. There's another image on this page showing another non-air pump. In such a small enclosed space, and taking in to consideration that methanol vapor is heavier than air, this seems imprudent.

    "'To be neutral and to be passive is to collaborate with whatever is going on.' Democracy is not just a counting-up of votes, but a counting-up of actions.'" ~Howard Zinn

  • on page 3 of the media page theres a pix of our hybrid biodiesel-ethanol plant.. when designing the facility OSHA and other state and federal safety laws were the first consideration all  stainless steel jacketedpressure vessels undergo yearly pressure testing,as does the boiler all this even though it is not required by law for on farm facilities. safety is as important as performance capability if not absolutly paramount.. one failed inspection or one lawsuit and it bye bye  biofuel production business perhaps permanently if fatality is involved.we must all remember that this industry and technology is being closely scrutinised there are those who would like nothing more than to see biofuels go away wether it a small scale or large scale facility .what we are doing is a threat to the status quo. home brewers in particular need to put safety first and not be cavalier about the potential of serious consequences ensuing if safety is not a primary consideration.

     along with the pix of our plant theres a shot of one of our "how to make biodiesel" seminars note protective clothing and gloves as well as a respirator are being used by the interns and students and the work is being done out side with plenty of ventilation. the structure of the plant is also designed with ventilation and safety in mind handling of chemicals  andlye is minimised by using metering hoppers and pumps.

    marc

  • Hello and sorry for the delayed response - I've been on the road. I think we are on the same side here and we appreciate your inquiries since this posting was on a whim and did not anticipate such inquisition. Thank you!  We are just about to unveil our new site, along with various other campaigns, which I am in charge of, and thought I would post here to see what kind of feedback we could get. Tough crowd.

    ebztz
    units use explosion proof air pumps, Not exactly true unless you're advertising your product using images that aren't of your product. From your own site:

    I must admit you propose valid concerns. However, after a conference call back home with our engineer, John and CEO Tim this afternoon I can assure you that we all can agree that safety is, in fact taken into consideration. For legal and moral reasons. These are our product images, although newer models coming out may have more features, which will unveiled on the new site.

    The pump used to introduce methanol into the system is, in fact, an explosion proof pump. the pumps you are pointing out are additional pumps that are pumping biodiesel after the "reaction" has taken place. As far as Vapors go, we have had these tested over and over and have processed nearly 10,000 gallons in the last year without any vapor leaks, unusually high levels or explosions. The methanol vapor is vented to the outside directly from the (metal) tank with additional, backup venting/turbo fans throughout the trailer - down below. We have also tested these with a local trucking company who runs fifteen Peterbuilts on biodiesel - all processed by one of our trailers - all by the lady who owns the company!  No issues so far.

    ebztz
    Note the bottom right corner of the image. That's NOT and air pump and it's NOT explosion proof. Safety should not be an option or upgrade.

    We are not trying to "upsell" safety.  As far as the tank material goes, we are only trying to offer a portable solution at an affordable price. The only other truly mobile processing unit we've seen on the market retails for about  $150,000. Many people simply can not afford that, hence polyethylene tanks being offered in 95% of home brew kits out there.  Sure, we will build one with stainless tanks if that is what the customer wants - however...I think we can all agree, that in order for the masses to want to make an environmental change, unfiortunately, there has to be an economic benefit. So we offer Polyetylene to keep the costs down.

    I think good old fashion common sense is the best preventative measure. Sure, there have been a few explosions with plastic and steel tanks...I guarantee you lack of common sense and/or operator error played a part in most those incidents. You can't fix stupid.

     

     

     

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • May I also note that our processors have passed all electrical and fire inspections in three counties and two states so far and were highly received at the 2009 Desert Biofuel Initiative Workshop held at ASU last April, which CEO Tim McClellan was invited to speak at.

    Here is one of many articles:

    10 Biofuel Companies You Need to Know About

     

     

     

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

  • Hi Verde Biofuel ,

    Below is a link to the most complete mobile biodiesel processor on the planet !  Wink

    You can process, wash and dry in it.  It needs no electric source and can heat the oil using solar heat.

    You can use electric heat if you want or need too.

    One can be built for less than $500.

    I have been using it for well over a year now and it works fine.

    You can make high conversion biodiesel in it and it is alot of fun to use !   Yes

    It has not got the respect it deserves from the online biodiesel world.   They are a sometimes uppity, strange bunch that seems to dislike processors on trailers  !  Wink

    They tend to like processors in garages that can burn down the house ?

    Thanks, Steve

    Greengirl Labs Florida USA Home of the Canoe Paddle Processor  http://biodieselpictures.com/viewtopic.php?t=160

  • Jerome,

    You respond, and in a professional manner. This is notably better than the typical fly-by-night vendors pushing their wares here.

    Verde Biofuel
    The only other truly mobile processing unit we've seen on the market retails for about  $150,000.

    I've seen numerous processors that could be mounted in a trailer (or container), would be safer, and would cost considerably less that $150k.

    Verde Biofuel
    Sure, there have been a few explosions with plastic and steel tanks...I guarantee you lack of common sense and/or operator error played a part in most those incidents. You can't fix stupid.

    Agreed, but responsible sellers (and more so, engineers) should design products that accommodate for user error and/or accidents.

    Perhaps I am adjusted to stricter standards. Wisconsin is progressive on the biofuels front; it's an ag-industry issue, so we're a bit ahead on the learning curve (though the Northwest still seems to lead). We have college programs teach biofuels, state regulatory agencies that pay attention to the industry (large and small scale), and even a gov't body responsible for promoting and growing the biofuels industry.  Using the plastic tanks of the volume shown, you would need to have a fire-suppression system and/or secondary containment (depending on whether they are inside or out). (Note that Wisconsin does offer incentives to producers who equip properly, so there's some carrot to go with the stick).

    It would seem a simple thing to integrate secondary containment into the trailers. Cut a hole in the floor piped to an external catch tank and have a liquid catch (lip) at the gate to ensure fluids are directed into the hole.

    "'To be neutral and to be passive is to collaborate with whatever is going on.' Democracy is not just a counting-up of votes, but a counting-up of actions.'" ~Howard Zinn

  • Just a quick update...Verde Biotrailers now come standard with stainless steel reaction tanks ( upgraded from the polyethylene) and incorporate a dry wash system help reduce water wash time - and overall production time.

    Verde Biofuel
    Jerome, Arizona

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