F*** You GEEK!

<edited by Mike Briggs - edited out Geo's swearing. Grow up and behave like an adult, or you're gone>

Good for you, buy more.

 P.S. what was the "proof" for you that they are for real? A few of us have our reasons not to believe them other than just thinking they look really cool.

GeoMetricMoving:

What is wrong with you people? A little paranoid? You need to do a lot more research into USSE before you can call them a fraud! I will be buying as much stock as I can!

@ .30$/share...u can buy a mighty lot of them. i would mortgage ur house and go to one of those title loans on ur honda civic if i was u.

i hope u didnt by in when it was @ .60$/share cuz ud be down 50%. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USSE.PK&t=3m

if u are looking for my stock trading tip on this stock, id wait until its @ .00008$/share before going all in. which if u look at the above chart and start to add numbers they claim, that should be by around april...

Matt_P:

  P.S. what was the "proof" for you that they are for real? A few of us have our reasons not to believe them other than just thinking they look really cool. 

dont listen to matt, he is just one of those ppl that think facts matter!

Wow geometric you seem really excited about them.

 from their web site: "Vidalia, LA
USSEC and Turnkey Electric, the joint venture partner of Pratt & Whitney Power Systems, have a strategic alliance leading to a joint venture to build the world's largest 1,000 Megawatt green power utility in Vidalia, Louisiana"

That statement makes me very skeptical.

I saw their video, if it is a fraud, it is an impressive and elaborate one I have to admit, but some of their claims are extreme.

 Another example. They claim 5 gallons of diesel fuel per bushel of soybeans

Here are my calculations:

5 gallons per bushel yield claimed by them

There are 8783 btu per lb in soybeans

An average soybean bushel is 60 lb

Biodiesel fuel has approximately 130,500 Btu/gallon

Petro-diesel - 140,000 btu/gallon

They claim their fuel has 128,000 btu/gallon

There are only 526,980 btu available energy per bushel of soybeans

They CLAIM to get 640,000 btu of energy out of 526,980 btu soybeans.

That is almost 20% more energy in their fuel than is in the soybeans that they put into the process.

Add the biogas that they claim to produce @ the same time from those same soybeans and you have even more, over 30%+ more energy than is actually in soybeans.

No conversion process is 100% efficient let alone 120-130% efficient. That's called breaking the laws of physics to us educated folk!

That right there ends it. I call that a scam, and some scamsters obviously don't know basic math.

I'm stupid? Haha read those numbers and weep, because there is no escaping those numbers. 

 They claim to get more energy out of the diesel fuel alone (not including the natural gas replacement they claim to make as well), than actually exists in the soybeans themselves. Usually when you do a conversion like this you lose some energy due to inefficiencies, here they are getting more energy, from seemingly nowhere! They are breaking the laws of thermodynamics!
 
SO, despite their impressive video and website, plus the other bogus claims I've seen. I am not convinced. Put those two things together and you have a very suspicious bunch of claims.

I am not as easily impressed as you are, for the world has taught me some lessons about the shysters out there preying on the unsuspecting and uneducated.

 Add up dubious claims about their fuel yield and near impossible claims for the huge power plants they are supposedly building, and you have something that looks like a scam.

So go ahead! Invest more! I'm happy for you!  None of these facts mean anything to you traders. God forbid you use logic or reason. Stock trading is futile in itself so you already threw logic and reason out the window when you went into it in the first place!

http://www.ussec.us./research-20.html

Watch the video.

How do these guys have the guts show their faces?  Look at him talking to these people. What does he plan to do a few years from now? That's what I'm thinking. Is he going to claim a conspiracy to suppress it by the big oil companies? Fly off to South America? What?

What is he going to do? Showing your face like that when you make such absurd claims and ask for money from other people takes cojones I gotta give them that! Pretty brazen of them.

They must have some plan of how they're going to pull this off and not go to jail.

Here's another claim they make: He claims with a straight face in the video that their total production costs from soybeans is close to only $0.50 per gallon

Soybeans: $6.00 per bushel

5 gallons of 'fuel' per bushel (their own words!)

That is $1.20 per gallon in feedstock alone! Not including the cost of equipment, labor, processing, etc etc.

I'm the stupid one? Really! Do the math, this is grade 2 level math here, it isn't that difficult.

Mr Geo, u understand that this is not really a news article but a PR infomercial, right?

remember, we (i assume that its we, at least its I) have nothing invested in this, we are just digesting the information given to us. it is U that have the investment of not only time but $$$. so dont get upset when we are doing the work that u should be doing. if we are wrong about this company, its all the better for u because we are keeping the stock price down for u to buy more. so please stop being rude and listen to what we are saying.

ill make this simple. and ill use their own words;

http://www.maximuscommunications.com/ussecbiofuel.pdf

5 gal x 128000BTU/gal = 640000BTU's  

PLUS they say they make 20.1lbs of Carbon based fertilizer. so this means they are not getting all of the carbon into a fuel source which will necessarily reduce the amount of available BTU's from the feedstock.

PLUS they say they get gas. i cannot seem to find how much per bushel but it doesnt matter for our argument. but again, if they are making a fuel gas, that necessarily reduces the amount of available BTU's from the feedstock.

the TOP grade of soy has a BTU content of ~ 8800/lb and lesser grades have a reduced number. http://www.auri.org/research/fuels/pdfs/fuels.pdf  

so if we add up these numbers, we get 60lbs/bushel x 8800BTU's/lb = 528000BTU's per bushel of highest grade soy.

but USSE claims that they get 640000BTU's + 20lbs of fertilizer (additional BTU's) + gas (additional BTU's).

those #'s just dont add up. and until someone can square those #'s, im going to call them a sham using the above argument.  

we can go into other arguments also but we dont have to, the above one is a deal breaker because of the 1st law of thermodynamics.

GeoMetricMoving:

Hey another News flash for ya!

www.grainnet.com/articles/U_S_Sustainable_Energy_Announces_Patent_For_New_Organic_Biofuel_-40658.html

Hey I guess they are full of it hu, Matt?

Certainly if one reads this PR closely, they wont come to the conclusion that its news but its company PR. even the title is misleading. the link = "announces patent for new organic biofuel" but the story headline itself says 'patent pending'. and the body of the article doesnt have 1 word about that patent pending. this is not news but hype and PR, there is a difference.

www.grainnet.com/articles/U_S_Sustainable_Energy_Announces_Patent_For_New_Organic_Biofuel_-40658.html

"Hey I guess they are full of it hu, Matt?"

In my honest opinion? Yes, completely full of it!

I am sincerely sorry if that opinion upsets you in any way, but hard numbers and laws of physics mean a lot more to me than press releases on some obscure websites that anyone can put out, you think that kind of stuff is "proof" of its reality? HAHA you really need some internet "street smarts" and understand that you can't believe every little press release and article you read. No offense but it is true. Do you realize how easy it is to make a "press release" claiming anything these days... including mergers and aquisitions and partnerships with big companies. Anyone can claim that.

You may have street smarts, but out in the new wild west called the internet, talk is cheap, much more cheap than it is on the streets even. In my opinion, you are a very easy target for internet scammers. You're a scammers dream.

 Funny how you use companies like Earthfirst Technologies as "proof" that they are the real deal. Hehe, I am quite familiar with Earthfirst technologies, and I can tell you right now, it only makes me more confident I am right.

Do those numbers.

If someone came out with a new calculator that claimed it can make 1+1=5, I would be skeptical, wouldn't you? Or would you be convinced by their press releases and some "really smart" people you talk to on the phone? Get offended by me all you want, but 1+1 does not = 5. Sorry but a few of us beg to differ!

thank you GeoMetric. see how easy it is when people listen to other arguments.

not only do i work in this field but im also an investor. if i thought that they were for real...id plop down some $$$. im not afraid of pink sheet stocks, i own many. but i also know the stock market is full of scams and economic genius's that are out to get ur $$$ and pinky's are their playground. i dont know if USSE is a scam, im saying that their #'s dont add up, not even close.

gasification is an up and coming technology that time has yet to come. maybe they are trying to 'hype' to bring in $$$ to do research? tho even a 60% feedstock to product ratio conversion would be a pretty good start, they are claiming 120%+. there has been alotta talk about gasification/NH3/complete package talk over the last 20-30 years but no one seems to be able to make it all happen, except this guy  http://www.woodgas.com/history7.htm   :).

Ron, how can you think that there will be some "breakthrough" that will allow you to get more energy from soybeans than the soybeans actually contain? How can you think a new "technique" will allow you to get energy from nowhere? Yikes.

How can I explain it? I tried, Brian (froggy) tried.

It doesn't matter what technology you have, that's what you don't seem to quite grasp. No technology will do that, NO technology, no matter how advanced. No breakthrough will turn soybeans into a fuel with more energy than the soybeans had stored in them.

Ok, I'll try again, as clearly as possible.

1+1=2

energy in soybeans => energy in fuel

the energy in the fuel cannot exceed the energy in the soybeans. 

energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it is only transformed.

The energy has to come from somewhere, in this case, it is the soybeans.

They are claiming their fuel contains more energy than the soybeans it came from. Hence, something for nothing... energy from thin-air... magic. 1+1=3. 

Instead of reading up on the company, you should first learn about the laws of the Universe. More specifically, the laws of thermodynamics.

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/biobk/BioBookEner1.html 

 The First law is the most important and the one we're trying to tell you is being broken here.

The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another.

If you know the laws of thermodynamics, you're in a much better position to research your investments, and much less susceptible to fraud, for if their technology does not follow these rules, it is breaking the laws of physics. You need to educate yourself on it, because with all due respect, I can see you can't seem to grasp the importance of these laws of physics!!

Highly recommended reading for anybody who doesn't understand the points made above!

I don't know how to explain it to you any better now because it seemed like a simple concept to me but....... no effect, whoooosh... goes over your head. Either you're not reading or.... well, I don't know. Oh well. I tried. heh.

You are researching the wrong things and missing the important facts. If you want to do due diligence, learn about energy first and know your stuff! 

 The numbers we stated were for ANY method, existing or future, no breakthrough can get past those numbers, not even usse. You don't brush those numbers off and say "oh, well they must have some breakthough". If you say that, you just dont 'get it'. I don't care what they say. They can claim all they want! I have the laws of physics by my side, and when it's a choice between their word and the laws of physics and the most brilliant scientists that have ever lived, I stick with the laws of physics! I have Einstein and Newton on my side! ;)

 

Well, unless they have Lisa Simpson on their team: 

When unable to attend school due to a teachers' strike, she suffered a sort of "school withdrawal" and invents a perpetual motion machine, for which Homer chastises her, saying, "Lisa! In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"