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Latest post 10-31-2007 08:51 PM by soypwrd. 10 replies.
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  • 06-10-2007 11:42 AM

    E320 Bluetec on Bio

    Will this car run on Bio?  My dad is thinking of gettin this car as his retirement upgrade from his Impala that he's got now.  I will be making bio for my truck and was wondering if he'll be able to use some of my extra fuel in his Benz.

    Thanks 

  • 06-10-2007 12:38 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    Yes.

    However, I would recommend using ASTM grade biodiesel before using home brew.  Otherwise, inspect your home-made fuel for any traces of bound glycerine, or water remaining in the finished product.  Acid, cetane and viscosity levels are also important.  Fuel quality would be my main concern in the Bluetec engines and that includes petroleum diesel, which isn't always quality stuff. The newer engines are much more fuel efficient, which means higher fuel pressures and smaller injector orifices.  We're not talking about Grandpa's old 300D anymore...

    TJ..
  • 06-16-2007 08:53 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    What surfer boy says.
    Two `96 VW TDI B4 variants, `87 MB 300TD `89 Ford F250 diesel, Kubota lawn tractor 25 Cylinders Kicking on the Sweet Sauce of the Soybean
  • 06-20-2007 09:40 PM In reply to

    • NickW
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    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    Why risk damage to such a nice car like a Bluetec?  Get a '96 to '99 E300 with under 200k miles and you're in good shape for much less money.
    '02 Golf TDI running B20+
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  • 06-24-2007 10:39 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    Why under 200k?  I have a '96 E300 diesel that's at 243,000 and running strong.  Treat them well and they will show you the way.
    TJ..
  • 07-02-2007 07:31 PM In reply to

    • NickW
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    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    Good to know about the E300!  I might have to get me one with turbo. Idea
    '02 Golf TDI running B20+
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  • 08-15-2007 06:11 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    I use BQ-9000/ASTM B100 in my 2007 MegaCab 3500 with 5.9L CTD.  Am thinking of getting a 1999 E300D for the wife and running same fuel.  I've read about a few o-ring and fuel line issues, but couldn't tell whether these were related to biodiesel.  Should be okay right? 

     Regards - Joe

  • 09-19-2007 10:53 AM In reply to

    • cww
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    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    I have had a 2007 E320 since Oct 2007.  Started running B10, and gradually got it up to B100.  It was at the same time few stations could be found pumping the ultralow sulfur that is "warranted" not to mention mandatory.  As I travel out of the city and it is difficult finding biodiesel, I had to switch between the ultralow and bio; thus a varying net strength.  I do not discount the possibility of remaining low sulfur stocks in supply storage tanks contributing to debris transferring from storage tank to car tank.  The car ran fine until an incident in July when it became sluggish along the freeway and lost power.  Re-gained, lost etc., and to make a frustrating story short, took it into the dealer to be diagnosed with a bad fuel pump that required replacement.  Choosing the obvious path of honesty, knowing the consequences of buring higher than B5, I told them yeah I was over the limit and by the way I would like my old pump when you replace with the new $1,700. one.  And yes, I know that the source of dirty fuel is irrelevant when clogging a fuel system - not warranted is not warranted regarldess of not warranting higher than B5 boidiesel.

    I am now running between a B5 & B15 blend, trying to restrain myself and I have had my "old" pump torn down, surveyed, and rebuilt by a forward thinking certified Mercedes mechanic who owns his own Mercedes shop.  He found some fine particles in keeping with the thinking of a batch of dirty fuel.  As I understand it, the older pumps can blow a lot more through then the new ones can.  I had heard from a biodiesel dealer that the seals on these pumps could be compromised by the detergent action of the bio but I suspect he may have had that confused with the older models.  He did tell me he had five other calls from folks like me with this model that had to replace their pumps.  

    I have spoken to one guy in particular who has now replaced two pumps and has temporarily given up but he says he is preparing to have a German based mechanic, who is coming to the states soon, who has some type of retro system including a second fuel tank, to modify his car.  

     Why go through this?  Other than the setbacks that I have had, it is a fine car.  Until folks who have a little discretionary money, who can afford to push the envelope on the new models that cost more, try to turn the tide, the entire movement, while exciting and fun and reminiscent of many previous social movements in my history, will not make the difference necessary to solve some larger problems.  The entire socio-economic chain needs to be shaken.

    I believe, for what it is worth, that the fuel that slowed me down, was a batch from the larger manufacturer of biodiesel produced from poultry by-products rather than from the fuel I had been burning and hope to soon again which was made from used vegetable cooking oils. 

    That is still a large resource not taken advantage of.   In the meantime, I will travel around with my re-built virtually brand new pump in my trunk and communicate with corporate Mercedes on the matter.

     

     

     

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  • 09-19-2007 11:52 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    ^^^  How is debris getting into the pump?  Sounds like a filtration problem.

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    '05 Liberty

    '83 240D

  • 10-31-2007 07:12 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    I can only convey my experience with the 2007 E320 CDI purchased August of last year.  We ran ATSM certified B100 for 11 months without incident; the car was a little sluggish at times, but otherwise probelm free.  In July of 2007 the car sputtered and stalled.  The dealer had the lead mechanic review the situaiton with me and he was VERY clear.  The innovation of the CDI is the monorail fuel injection system.  His assertation is that the nozzle on the rail are just too small to work with B100 - they replaced all related fuel systems (fuel lines, filter, injection) at a cost of just under $3,000.  The factory quoted the owners manual which inidcates warranty coverage on B5 only.

    I enjoy the car very much, but the whole point was to run bio - now that it's clear I can't do that, we're going to wait on the BMW models.

    My message to anyone considering a CDI and bio would be to skip it, clearly a poor risk/reward proposition.

  • 10-31-2007 08:51 PM In reply to

    Re: E320 Bluetec on Bio

    The guy who makes our ASTM biodiesel runs B100 in his 2006 CDI. I can't tell you how many miles he has on it (I'll find out) but he's had absolutely no problems.
    Two `96 VW TDI B4 variants, `87 MB 300TD `89 Ford F250 diesel, Kubota lawn tractor 25 Cylinders Kicking on the Sweet Sauce of the Soybean
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