BioDieselNow - Renewable biodiesel fuel

Hi all!   New member here, name's Bob. Ive been active in generating public attention about the dangers posed by global warming, but I have been floundering with what to do about correcting glpbal warming, untill now. It is clear to me from recent talks with fellow scientists here in South Australia that biodiesel and bioethanol are the cure for global warming.

The fossil fuels so coveted presently, very simply will remain in the ground, as will coal. B thirty years from now we will have seenm a complete paradigm shift in the publics perception of geological time, science, and the uselfulness of living organisms for  energy production.

Yes folks we wont even need nuclear fusion (H + H = He) !!

Im very intersted in joining with you to lobby governments, and to offer industry hope. I will begin now by changing the emphasis of my arts community website

www.myspace.com/globalwarmingcure

to biodiesel and bioethanol, and downplaying carbon sequestration through calcium carbonate formation, which is wasteful and unprofitable.

It will take me a few weeks to enact this change. I've just started a new job in aquaculture in the South Australian state government, and also fishing draft of papers . I have bee employed partly on the strength of science journalism qualification. Small task that can help convince governments of the need for shifting resources, I would welcome, ona voluntary basis at least at first. I am looking to collaborations government to government, and scientist to industry in the long term.

I hope the myspace website gives some flavour for my writing (sorry that no details are available about my work for the government, nor for my phycology background)

This post is in the 'forums' section of biodieslenow.com, and I've no idea whether the whole of this community recieves this post or what.  If you receive this and have commn intersts and objectives, let me know if we can work together. My son's future is my motivation: cliche... yes, but if/when you read the globalwarmingcure site you'll get an idea how real this is. Many thanks

- committed to change of ideals in government,

- Bob

Global warming cure

Howdy Bob, AKA globalwarmingcure (GWC),

I would like to suggest that you get ahold of IAI, http://www.iaiconference.org/  , right in your back yard. Debbie is friendly enough and can be a local resource for your efforts.

By the way, welcome to the forum. Take ur shoes off and stay a while...

Hi Bob. Welcome to the forum! We don't generally send out email blasts, as we have nearly 20k members, so folks will only see your post if they search it.

That's a pretty extensive and impressive friends list you have there.  

Republicans block senate bill giving tax breaks for renewable energy

Lets try to pass this bill friday 

what number was that bill

On taxes, Democrats came three votes shy, 57-36, of the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened GOP filibuster and add the massive tax package to the energy bill. It called for $32 billion in tax breaks for renewable and clean energy programs and energy conservation, all but about $3 billion paid for by oil taxes.

Republican senators contended that the nearly $29 billion in additional taxes over 10 years on major oil companies would have led to reduced production and higher gasoline prices, an argument Democrats rejected, noting the largest oil companies earned $111 billion last year.

Reid said the industry stood to make $1 trillion in profits over the 10 years when the $29 billion in new oil taxes would have been collected. He expressed doubt the measure could be revived and put onto the Senate bill, but left open getting it added later, probably when Senate and House versions will be consolidated.

``It's not over,'' said Reid.

A $16 billion tax package - largely mirroring the priorities in the Senate legislation but smaller - advanced from the House Ways and Means Committee on Wednesday, to be added to a House energy bill later this summer.

The massive tax measure marked a sharp turn from longtime congressional support of the oil industry to promoting alternative energy development and moving toward energy sources that would help deal with the growing concerns over global warming.

But Republicans said it tilted too far in favor of renewables and conservation at the expense of the oil companies.

``When you put a tax on a business it gets passed on to consumers,'' argued Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. ``Instead of reducing gasoline prices, this bill is going to add to the cost of gasoline.''

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., whose Finance Committee crafted the tax package, said the incentives for renewable and alternative fuels would ``help wean ourselves away from OPEC ... from these very high gas prices.''

The tax changes would have channeled $11 billion over 10 years into development of renewable fuels such as ethanol, biodiesel and power from wind turbines. It provides an additional $18 billion in other tax breaks - from tax credits to clean and renewable energy bonds - to support improvements in energy efficiency, clean coal technology, development of gas-electric hybrid cars that could be plugged into the national power grid and other alternative energy programs.

It would have rescinded a tax break given to oil companies in 2004 that was primarily aimed at helping domestic manufacturing; increased taxes paid under an oil spill liability law; and eliminated existing tax credits involving foreign oil production.

Another measure also would have imposed a new excise tax on oil produced from the Gulf of Mexico to recoup $10.7 billion in royalties the government has been unable to retrieve because of flawed oil leasing contracts issued in 1998-99.

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AP reporter Ken Thomas contributed to this story.

JUNE 27, 2007 03:12
The price of biodiesel, an alternative energy source to light oil, will become lower than light oil as early as 2011, securing its economic feasibility, according to a recent report by the Korea Energy Economics Institute (KEEI).

zed:

Republicans block senate bill giving tax breaks for renewable energy

Lets try to pass this bill friday 

what number was that bill

On taxes, Democrats came three votes shy, 57-36, of the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened GOP filibuster and add the massive tax package to the energy bill. It called for $32 billion in tax breaks for renewable and clean energy programs and energy conservation, all but about $3 billion paid for by oil taxes.

"Oil taxes"? What oil taxes? We don't have any "oil taxes". Was the bill creating a new tax? IMO, creating an oil tax would be better than giving subsidies to renewable energy - a huge portion of such subsidies end up being massively abused, as is happening with the "splash and dash" schemes to take advantage of the biodiesel tax credit.

Republican senators contended that the nearly $29 billion in additional taxes over 10 years on major oil companies would have led to reduced production and higher gasoline prices, an argument Democrats rejected, noting the largest oil companies earned $111 billion last year.

What kind of tax? IMO an oil tax only works if it IS passed on to consumers, and increases gasoline prices.

``When you put a tax on a business it gets passed on to consumers,'' argued Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. ``Instead of reducing gasoline prices, this bill is going to add to the cost of gasoline.''

ANd that is EXACTLY what we need - higher gas prices. That's the only way to encourage people to buy more efficient vehicles (and it encourages them to use alternative fuels).

zed:

Republicans block senate bill giving tax breaks for renewable energy

Lets try to pass this bill friday 

what number was that bill

On taxes, Democrats came three votes shy, 57-36, of the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened GOP filibuster and add the massive tax package to the energy bill. It called for $32 billion in tax breaks for renewable and clean energy programs and energy conservation, all but about $3 billion paid for by oil taxes.

"Oil taxes"? What oil taxes? We don't have any "oil taxes". Was the bill creating a new tax? IMO, creating an oil tax would be better than giving subsidies to renewable energy - a huge portion of such subsidies end up being massively abused, as is happening with the "splash and dash" schemes to take advantage of the biodiesel tax credit.

Republican senators contended that the nearly $29 billion in additional taxes over 10 years on major oil companies would have led to reduced production and higher gasoline prices, an argument Democrats rejected, noting the largest oil companies earned $111 billion last year.

What kind of tax? IMO an oil tax only works if it IS passed on to consumers, and increases gasoline prices.

``When you put a tax on a business it gets passed on to consumers,'' argued Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. ``Instead of reducing gasoline prices, this bill is going to add to the cost of gasoline.''

ANd that is EXACTLY what we need - higher gas prices. That's the only way to encourage people to buy more efficient vehicles (and it encourages them to use alternative fuels).

Mike Briggs:

zed:

Republicans block senate bill giving tax breaks for renewable energy

Lets try to pass this bill friday 

what number was that bill

On taxes, Democrats came three votes shy, 57-36, of the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened GOP filibuster and add the massive tax package to the energy bill. It called for $32 billion in tax breaks for renewable and clean energy programs and energy conservation, all but about $3 billion paid for by oil taxes.

"Oil taxes"? What oil taxes? We don't have any "oil taxes". Was the bill creating a new tax? IMO, creating an oil tax would be better than giving subsidies to renewable energy - a huge portion of such subsidies end up being massively abused, as is happening with the "splash and dash" schemes to take advantage of the biodiesel tax credit.

[I don't know why diesel now cost less then gasoline but I like it. there were new taxes and an attempt to collect past fees never collected. The ten Billion for offshore oil riggs.]

[It would be good to have a discussion on the good and the bad new energy companies, algae, biodiesel, celulose ethanol,  do you have a plan ?  algae to what using what process ?]

[I would like to do wood to charcoal, generating eletricity, and with the next project produce wood alchol or methanol. The 18TH century stuff]

Republican senators contended that the nearly $29 billion in additional taxes over 10 years on major oil companies would have led to reduced production and higher gasoline prices, an argument Democrats rejected, noting the largest oil companies earned $111 billion last year.

What kind of tax? IMO an oil tax only works if it IS passed on to consumers, and increases gasoline prices.

``When you put a tax on a business it gets passed on to consumers,'' argued Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. ``Instead of reducing gasoline prices, this bill is going to add to the cost of gasoline.''

ANd that is EXACTLY what we need - higher gas prices. That's the only way to encourage people to buy more efficient vehicles (and it encourages them to use alternative fuels).

[we need alternative fuels for people to use alternative fuels, I found a high school that wanted to sell biodiesel, I asked a resturant if some one took their used oil for biodiesel.}

[mostly we are at an impass and we need to find direction ]

[I haven't given you as many replys as you have sent me} 

[I acknolage the blog site global warming cure and the 400 post acknolaging the site]

Higher gas prices would lead to a potential depression(we are on the brink of one now) one must consider the income level of the low wage earning american, they cannot withstand the pressure of inflation of any kind.... higher fuel prices lead to higher food and power bills the average debt ridden, mortgage strangled american is already on the brink of disaster.its fine for professionals and middle class americans to look to high fuel prices to encourage purchasing new fuel efficient cars but that is an unrealistic scenario for the working classes ( A.K.A.working poor).its like marie antoinette saying "let them eat cake"

what we need is for americans to unite and send a clear message that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH not through anarchistic acts, but through the quiet revolution that widespread implementation of alternative fuels production on a decentralised level offers.

Every week we see  young people , mostly grad students from universities, members of renewable fuel co-ops, environmental studies majors, farmers and many proactive ,far seeing older folks from truckers to executives as well.They are all rolling up thier sleeves and building small scale alternative energy production systems such as  small scale fuel alcohol distilleries, Biodiesel reactors, taking other actions such as adding photovoltaic and solar hot water heating to thier homes. these are the" quiet revolutionaries" members of our ""A" team. which is growing across the country on an exponential scale. "Talking time" is over....

. when one considers the fact that a small group of colonists, on this day, took action, under the crudest of conditions, and kicked the mightiest empire in the world at that time, out of america and formed this great country of ours. THERE IS NO EXCUSE to justify the state of affairs in this nation today.

This country is literally drowning in waste, a concentrated program of resource recovery, creating fuels from garbage and sewerage alone would be a big step towards energy independance while cleaning up the environment. creating alternative energy production related Jobs and encouraging the disenfranchised farmers in america to not only grow conventional crops but to grow alternative energy crops and then produce fuels from them on thier farms would be another Important step that would free us from the shackles of the Haliburtonites and the foreign fuel mongers.

On this independance day all americans should vow to take measures to educate themselves on alternative energy, and those who can ,should make a decision to take the bull by the horns and build alternative fuel producing systems, retrofit thier homes to increase thier energy saving capabilities. insist that thier community leaders take action  to consider an immediate alternative energy implementation program in thier towns and cities.NOW!

If all 20 thousand members of this forum would do likewise imagine the consequences.

 ENERGY INDEPENDANCE NOW! should be the war cry for all americans! let us all join together and MAKE IT HAPPEN..

 Marc Cardoso.... ecogenics center for the study of alternative solutions

www.ecogenicsresearchcenter.org

ecogenics3:

Higher gas prices would lead to a potential depression(we are on the brink of one now) one must consider the income level of the low wage earning american, they cannot withstand the pressure of inflation of any kind.... higher fuel prices lead to higher food and power bills the average debt ridden, mortgage strangled american is already on the brink of disaster.

Higher gas prices due to oil prices rising (or oil company profits rising), yes. What I'm saying though is to give everyone an income tax credit that equals the *average* amount people would spend on the oil tax. So, if on average the oil tax would cost people $1,000, everyone gets a $1,000 income tax credit (for low low income people who don't pay that much in taxes, we'd still need to figure something else out. I'm thinking of "fuel stamps"). The result is that people have extra spending money to offset the higher *average* cost - and the oil tax encourages them to spend it on things with less embedded oil cost (so buying more efficient vehicles, using alternative fuels, buying more locally produced goods and services (less oil transportation costs embedded), etc.).

So, while the costs of goods and services would go up - people would also have more money in their pockets to offset that increase - with the income tax credit calculated such that *on average* their income tax coming back offsets the higher prices they pay for things (based on the amount of oil used in the production and distribution of it - or the oil tax on oil fuel itself). If people use less than the average amount of oil (including in goods and services), they pay less tax overall and come out ahead. If they use more, they pay more.

The oil tax itself is regressive by nature - but the flat tax credit is progressive, helping out lower incomes more than higher incomes .

what we need is for americans to unite and send a clear message that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH not through anarchistic acts, but through the quiet revolution that widespread implementation of alternative fuels production on a decentralised level offers.

The problem is that probably 95% (or at least well over 50%) of AMericans really don't give a damn - except when it hits them in the wallet. The oil tax with income tax credit approach does just that - it makes oil and oil produced/transported goods cost more, to encourage people to reduce their use of such goods and services. The tax credit (and possibly some form of fuel stamps for very low income people) offsets the regressive nature of the tax, so it's not as hard on lower income people.

Sure, there is more talk about alternative fuels - but the unfortunate reality is that the majority of people won't do anything unless it saves them money, and doesn't require much of any effort on their part. That's why we need an approach that accounts for that.

I think higher gas prices would be good. in order to foster biofuels south korea does not tax them. in the united states to promote the internet internet transactions are not taxed.

what is microsofts slogan, stay home buy that over the internet and save on gas.  Take a bus a train another train another bus and a bicycle to get to work, then they change you to nights and you have to drive.

zed:

I think higher gas prices would be good. in order to foster biofuels south korea does not tax them. in the united states to promote the internet internet transactions are not taxed.

That's not why internet transactions aren't taxed. If you call up the company and order over the phone, they don't tax the transaction either.

what is microsofts slogan, stay home buy that over the internet and save on gas.  Take a bus a train another train another bus and a bicycle to get to work, then they change you to nights and you have to drive.

I understood don't you said what.