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You can search Google using the keywords "MSDS" and "Diesel Secret Energy" (or "DSE"). The additive producer is required to make these Material Safety Data Sheets available, and they list the contents of the product in question. If you can't find a copy you trust posted on the web, you can contact the company and request it.
Here's a copy of the MSDS someone posted. If you're skeptical, request your own copy.
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The BBB processed a total of 0 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period.
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According to the Diesel Secret Energy (DSE) as of March 16, 2007 the company does provide a 30 day return policy. DSE also stated "We make no guaranties for the use of this system or any particular engine". According to DSE this disclaimer is placed at the beginning of the product manual making a user aware that they are undertaking making an alternative fuel at their own risk. The company's website states it is an alternative fuel and not a Bio Diesel. On October 11, 2007, the BBB requested this firm substantiate or confirm with documentation on each of the BBB's concerns from DSE's website. The company has not substantiated the BBB's concerns. The BBB requested actual names and addresses of customers who claim that the product "increased mileage" and "money saving". DSE did not provide the names and addresses of customers stating that their customer list is private information. The BBB requested substantiation on the claims "inexpensive, high performance fuel that can power any diesel engine and the cost to you is only 46 cents per gallon", "now serving over 20,000 Diesel Drivers Worldwide" and "Our fuel will lead to longer injection pump life". The company has failed to substantiate advertising claims BBB Definition:advertising claims - The BBB reviews business advertising, (newspaper, magazine, TV, radio, internet) routinely to ensure that it is truthful and ethical. Claims in advertising are measured against basic advertising principles of the BBB Code of Advertising BBB Definition:BBB Code of Advertising - http://www.bbb.org/membership/codeofad.asp which was developed to guide advertisers, advertising agencies and advertising media. upon request by the BBB. Also on October 11, 2007, the BBB requested that DSE remove the BBB member logo from its website, the company did remove.
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Hello,
I am new here and I've read a few of these posts. I can testify to DSE. I just started using it. I was very skeptical at first, but I did as the instructions told me to do and it works very well. I have a trucking company and we tried it in the oldest truck in the fleet. Like they say it smells like burgers and fries. I couldn't believe it. A diesel will run on just about anything trans oil, oil etc..... until it blows - anyway, I did a lot of investigating before I tried this formula. You need specific filters and specific oil. It quiets the motor, burns cleaner- no carbon build up, throttle response was very good - no hesitation. We drained the semi of diesel and added 30 gallons of snake oil and ran it for quite some time. My mechanic told me if it was going to act up it would have already happened. Maybe it is a joke in a bottle, but it works. It costs me .67 / gallon to make it and that's a huge savings over 4.20 / gallon. Especially when your burning 100's of gallons a day. I'll take my chances at this point. No pain no gain! If it fails I'll rebuild.
Good Luck
Hi,
Yes I just started using it. It does work!ake care
Take care
Hey welder728
I'm new here. I posted twice tonight and I guess both posts were deleted. I was talking about the DSE controversy. It does work and yes it costs me 67 cents a gallon to make like your friend. There seems to be a lot of negative posts here in regards to this product but if it works and it's cheaper than buying at the pump what the hell.
JTI: Hey welder728 I'm new here. I posted twice tonight and I guess both posts were deleted. I was talking about the DSE controversy. It does work and yes it costs me 67 cents a gallon to make like your friend. There seems to be a lot of negative posts here in regards to this product but if it works and it's cheaper than buying at the pump what the hell.
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I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment. All I know is that it works for me. I'm not assuming anything. In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!!
Thanks
JT
Here's a review of the product in question. It's worth a read if you're looking at using / using DSE.
JTI: I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment. All I know is that it works for me. I'm not assuming anything. In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!! Thanks JT
Well 300, there's always one in the crowd and I found it. I know I'm out numbered here and you're obviously the expert on this site with all your posts and all. Let me tell you something - I never "accept without question", I have alot of questions more then you'll ever be able to answer. But, you can question yourself to death and never get anywhere. Which I think that's probably part of your problem. You run on and on with all your posts and contribute NOTHING! I bet while your here you keep talking about the same topic right?. So what, if this topic has already been brought up. Don't read it or respond if you don't have something constructive to say. I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will. So, I'm not real sure what's been brought up already. I suppose next time I'll check with you first. I've done a lot of research on the subject and have talked to different experts in the field - Caterpillar engineers etc.... I have expensive equipment that runs on different diesel blends and DSE, so far. I just came across this site and I think we're all here for the same reason. A diesel will run on anything for a period of time, but the ultimate goal here is to help everyone figure out what it will run on for an extended period of time with little or no problems. Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons. This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul. Oh yea I have paid attention maybe you should heed your own advice and listen up. If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase - .41 cents to be exact!
Here's to a brighter more "educated" tomorrow
Cheers
old300D: JTI: I'm not sure how I'm suppose to respond to the last comment. All I know is that it works for me. I'm not assuming anything. In fact I've taken an idea and run with it an it's proven itself!! Thanks JT Let me put it this way: Your view seems to be to accept without question what DSE claims without regard to what has alredy been posted and discussed. There are lots of products that seem to work, it's not a black/white type of thing, and it's certainly NOT proof.. So if you had paid attention, you would know that DSE is like the stone in "stone soup" -- it contributes NOTHING, and yet it is the most expensive ingredient.
JTI:I haven't read all the posts here and I probably never will.
Some of the problem with biodiesel if you're using Methanol, is the Methyl Esters leave a build up on cylinder walls that doesn't burn and over time it tends to round the rings and pistons. This creates blow by problems which ultimately results in a major overhaul.
If you'd have done your homework, you'd know that DSE is the "LEAST" expensive of all the ingredients used per ounce depending on which kit you purchase - .41 cents to be exact!
You missed one of Old300D's points. It's well know what is in DSE. You can check out the MSDS for a list of constituent chemicals. It's also known what these chemicals do. It's much cheaper to buy them, mix them up yourself, and use as you wish. If you're honestly interested in saving money, this should be of primary interest to you.