froggy:

Damir:

  We have started this few posts back in the context of seeding seas to facilitate algal blooms. And seeding seas also includes ferrites and other trace minerals. 

Dear Damir,

What does seeding seas algal blooms have to do with sewage?

And how is your plan to collect the sea algae? Best,

Dear Froggy,

I thought that you were the expert here.
I might be in danger of repeating boring old stuff, but…
As you probably know, there is no clear distinction between simple algae and other micro-organisms. Some are not photosynthetic (resembling more fungi or bacteria). We also have photosynthetic bacteria, fungi and other micro-organisms. In a natural environment they all interact providing to each other essential nutrients. We could call this rather a symbiotic relationship although they will happily gobble each other if there is no other option to survive. (Some fungi, though, prefer to “commit suicide” turning themselves into “food packets” for the rest of the culture, including algae.)
In such environment, our waste comes quite handy. And we are trying to replace it with various soups of minerals and other chemical compounds in out tanks. Not even single cell algae cannot live on light and CO2 only. (This could actually mean that we could improve on space life support systems if we find a way of removing unwanted micro-organisms without high temperatures.)
The story, however, does not end with single cell algae only. Many grow quite large, like kelp for example. They also “digest” our or seals’ waste. Apart from providing shelter and food to fish, they also provide “beds” for single (or few) cell algae, enhancing their sexual lives. Fish and shellfish also provide “beds” and some nutrients to algae, fungi etc.
As you can see, this is all quite complex and, I admit, I had to plug some holes. But the most of it is scientifically confirmed. And when we say that mechanisms of blooms are yet to be worked out we mean, rather, optimal ratios in the interplay. There are also numerous unknowns, but algal blooms near sewage outlets are facts we all know about.

Kind regards,
Damir

froggy:

And how is your plan to collect the sea algae?

Dear Froggy,

Sorry, I forgot to answer this one. If you follow the link to my article you will find the answer. Harvesting is likely to be secondary. Increased prospects of fish/shellfish catchments are probably better outcome.

Best,
Damir

Damir:

   There are also numerous unknowns, but algal blooms near sewage outlets are facts we all know about.

Dear Damir,

So you are telling us that your patented pending method of greening the earth is to dump human raw sewage into the oceans of the world?  You understand that they have been doing that for the last 1000's of years right?  And you understand that it has caused what are called dead zones  right? 

I dont know how to say this delicately... This is about the dumbest idea on BDN that I have ever read.

Kind regards,

froggy:

Damir:

   There are also numerous unknowns, but algal blooms near sewage outlets are facts we all know about.

Dear Damir,

So you are telling us that your patented pending method of greening the earth is to dump human raw sewage into the oceans of the world?  You understand that they have been doing that for the last 1000's of years right?  And you understand that it has caused what are called dead zones  right? 

I dont know how to say this delicately... This is about the dumbest idea on BDN that I have ever read.

Kind regards,

Dear Froggy,

Three pensioners sit around the table drinking and chatting. One says: “My memory is quite good although I sometimes forget…” Another: “Me too…” The third one knocking at the table: “Mine is excellent!” … “Will somebody open the door? Do I always need to do all by myself?”
Please, check the very first post in this thread.

Best wishes,
Damir

Damir:

     I would like, though, to have the idea fully tested and I welcome opportunity this forum might offer. 

For us to 'test' it, we need to know what you are doing. You need to much more clearly state your intentions. You have not.

Damir:

Simply bring seawater into desert and miracles can start happening:

• Algae (already present in seawater) grow in cascades of simple basins. From a part of biomass biofuels can be extracted in a quite primitive way and the rest can be used as fertiliser.
• Water naturally evaporates and part of evaporation could be captured to provide fresh water.

The only remaining thing is to safely dispose salts and other minerals.

 

So your plan is to pump sea water inland onto a high point. And then from that top point, a set of cascades as that ocean water drops thru gravity. From those cascades, you plan to collect biomass that grows naturally within the ocean water. You plan to dump raw sewage to feed the free biomass so as to overpopulate that ocean water to make it bloom. And somehow you plan to collect the fresh water that evaporates from these cascades. And you will pay for the whole thing by some of the biomass that you collect will value as biofuels and the rest has value as fertilizer. And you will also get paid by also fixing the earth thru carbon sequesteration.

Do I have it?

 

froggy:

Damir:

     I would like, though, to have the idea fully tested and I welcome opportunity this forum might offer. 

For us to 'test' it, we need to know what you are doing. You need to much more clearly state your intentions. You have not.

Damir:

Simply bring seawater into desert and miracles can start happening:

• Algae (already present in seawater) grow in cascades of simple basins. From a part of biomass biofuels can be extracted in a quite primitive way and the rest can be used as fertiliser.
• Water naturally evaporates and part of evaporation could be captured to provide fresh water.

The only remaining thing is to safely dispose salts and other minerals.

 

So your plan is to pump sea water inland onto a high point. And then from that top point, a set of cascades as that ocean water drops thru gravity. From those cascades, you plan to collect biomass that grows naturally within the ocean water. You plan to dump raw sewage to feed the free biomass so as to overpopulate that ocean water to make it bloom. And somehow you plan to collect the fresh water that evaporates from these cascades. And you will pay for the whole thing by some of the biomass that you collect will value as biofuels and the rest has value as fertilizer. And you will also get paid by also fixing the earth thru carbon sequesteration.

Do I have it?

Dear Froggy,

Partly. You have to realise that your dubious math and arguing style lost their shiny surface. Considering others as dumb also prevents you from learning. And there is plenty to learn from others. When (and if) you realise this, your arguing style will also change. And if you polish your math, you may re-establish some credibility in eyes of others. Till then, please, let us all entertain our dumbness in peace.

Sincerely,
Damir

As a modicum of sanity on what is already an insane thread, you will also find the necessary additional piping infrastructure to deliver the sewage into the desert (traditionally not an area where a large amount of poo is collected due to deserts not being inhabited) prohibitively expensive.

I agree with Liberty and Froggy that it is best practice to completely remove poo from the equation when talking in algae terms - there can only be harmful consequences from such thinking, no matter how well intended the idea may be.

Only after algae is more widely accepted in society could such propositions gain sufficient airtime to warrant discussion. As somebody else's signature block says - small steps taken one at a time. Now is not the time.