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  • 04-23-2008 08:48 AM

    • natescape
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    Jatropha in Florida

    I'm glad to see people moving beyond soy for biodiesel. Soy was/is a good bridge source, but we need higher-yield oils if we're to produce enough bio. Link here. 

    Oil-yielding tree gains attention in Florida

    Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

    Monday, April 21, 2008

    Witness the latest entry in the high-stakes race for alternative sources of fuel: a tree that produces oil.

    Not petroleum, that is, but an oil that can be used to make biodiesel.

    And entrepreneurs see it as a future cash crop for Florida.

    "Last year, soy oil was $1.50 a gallon and nobody was looking at us. Now, it's $3 a gallon and everyone is looking" at jatropha as a future biofuel source, said Paul Dalton, a Washington-based attorney who is involved with growing the tree - Jatropha curcas - in Florida, India and elsewhere.

    Oil from this variety of jatropha has attracted more attention as prices for other biodiesel oils such as soy, palm and canola have skyrocketed.

    Dalton, chief executive officer of Alexandria, Va.-based My Dream Fuel LLC, has planted 1.26 million jatropha seedlings from varieties specially selected and cloned for commercialization on 12 acres south of LaBelle. Last year, he sold out of 12,000 plants in four days.

    Beginning May 15, this year's seedlings will go out to citrus growers looking for a replacement for groves ravaged by canker and greening diseases and others wanting to keep their agricultural exemption.

    "It is not a get-rich-quick scheme at all," Dalton said. "It's five years before they get to 100 percent production. In two years, they will start making money. That is a lot faster than citrus.

    "Any biodiesel refiner will purchase it in a heartbeat. At current price levels, growers will make over $2,000 an acre."

    Plant used around the world

    Biodiesel is made from natural sources such as vegetable oils and animal fats for use in diesel engines. It can be used at full strength or blended with diesel made from petroleum.

    Jatropha curcas, or physic nut as it is sometimes called, is a poisonous small tree or shrub with a smooth gray bark grown for medicine and biodiesel in countries such as India, China and Brazil. Inside each of its golf-ball-size fruits are three pebble-size toxic, inedible seeds that can be pressed to make biodiesel.

    Jatropha can be grown in poor soils and doesn't require heavy cultivation, fertilization or irrigation, Lee County extension agent Roy Beckford said.

    Just entering the jatropha arena are two Palm Beach County restaurateurs and a Miami-based spice importer who this year formed Palm Beach Gardens-based International Clean Energy LLC.

    The three men - Tim Gwinnell, 51, a co-owner of Abbey Road Grill & Raw Bar in Palm Beach Gardens; Chris Ambrose, 45, owner of Java Room in the Ibis development in West Palm Beach; and Edwin Cho, 52, owner of Spices USA Inc. in Medley - believe jatropha oil could help solve the nation's energy crisis.

    "Jatropha is of interest because, of all the seeds that are known that produce oil for diesel, jatropha has the highest oil content," Gwinnell said. "With diesel prices up, it makes sense. You can't grow gasoline chemically, but you can grow diesel."

    With the assistance of Art Kirstein, agricultural economic development coordinator for the Palm Beach County Cooperative Extension Service, they're beginning a three-year project to grow jatropha and collect data to assess the tropical plant for conditions here in the subtropics. They also will assess the seeds' oil content. They're working with several dozen plants started from seeds obtained from offshore sources as well as Beckford, who has been doing similar work with jatropha for two years.

    "This is just another option. People researching biofuels are looking into all kinds of things," Kirstein said. "We know we can grow it in Florida, and we know it produces oil. The issue is whether it is feasible to do it economically."

    Beckford, who is scheduled to speak at an international JatrophaWorld conference in June in Miami, said his job is to "sober up the hype and look at the agronomic requirements."

    "We need to know more before we do any kind of commercial stuff," he said.

    Beckford, who is working with 1,500 seedlings that Dalton donated, said he's seen interest in jatropha increase and receives 50 to 60 phone calls a week about it. He knows of at least three citrus growers who are getting ready to plant 10-acre plots near Arcadia.

    Wagner Vendrame, an associate professor at the University of Florida's Tropical Research and Education Center, also cautions that more research is needed before growers take the plunge into jatropha in Florida.

    "Some companies are claiming they have seeds with tremendous yields such as 1,000 gallons an acre. We don't know what the production will be," Vendrame said, adding that there could be pest and disease problems that are as yet unknown.

    Food supply unaffected

    One benefit that jatropha offers is that oil can be made from a plant that, unlike corn or sugar, is not part of the food supply, said George Philippidis, associate director of the Applied Research Center at Miami's Florida International University.

    "Things are happening with jatropha around the world, primarily in developing countries. There, the idea is for farmers to make a living," Philippidis said. "The idea here would be to grow it and produce biodiesel for Florida."

    And there is a market for the product.

    Peggy Mathews, government relations director at Agri-Source in Dade City, the only biodiesel company in Florida now producing fuel, said that if jatropha oil were available in the state at a competitive price, the company would probably buy it.

    "If they can get the oil to the quality we could use, we couldn't take enough of it, as long as it is produced economically," Mathews said. Agri-Source now makes biodiesel from chicken renderings.

    Long-term, International Clean Energy's partners envision growing jatropha for biodiesel production in Florida. As a start, Gwinnell has obtained an import certificate from the U.S. Department of Agriculture that gives him permission to bring jatropha seeds from 22 countries.

    "We will bring in different seeds from different places," Gwinnell said.

    Ambrose said he's become "quite passionate about clean air," which led him to pursue the alternative-energy industry. "I decided jatropha was the right way to go in a business sense," he said.

    And Cho said the more he learns about jatropha, the more workable it seems.

    "It's not complicated," Cho said.

    Dalton, the MyDreamFuel CEO, expects to open a $6.8 million facility for cloning jatropha plants at the Fort Myers State Farmers Market in May and hopes that within two years farmers can bring their jatropha seeds there to be crushed.

    Philippidis thinks the outlook for jatropha as a fuel crop in South Florida is promising.

    "We have, I think, all the parts of the puzzle that we can put together," he said. "I think it is going to happen."

     

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  • 04-23-2008 08:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

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  • 09-03-2008 11:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Jatropha in Florida

     

     
     
    My name is David Whetsell and I love this country. We are slowly going broke as we continue to pour out our hard earned dollars into foreign countries. Our politicians never seem to take any assertive action. That is why I am sending this message out.

      I don’t profess to be an expert and I am only reporting from articles I have read on the internet and talking with friends. I have not spoken with the researchers who were responsible for the articles and I hope I have not done anything of an impropriety by sending this out.  Please send a message that this is one way to create our own oil within the United States. I hope a lot of people with power and assets will take heed to this article and do something. Also, I hope this gets a lot of supporters like me and we all can sway our politicians and farmers to act.

    Sincerely,David Whetsell, American, 803-957-8694,dawhetsell@windstream.net

    According to the USDA plant guide, “The Chinese tallow tree (Sapium sebiferum) was introduced into the United States from China in 1776 by Ben Franklin (Randall & Marinelli 1996). The common name comes from the waxy tallow derived from the white covering of the seed that has been used historically to make soap and candles. It has been cultivated in China for at least 14 centuries as a seed crop and as an ornamental. In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction Division of the U.S. Department of Agriculture promoted tallow tree planting in Gulf Coast states to establish a local soap industry (Flack & Furlow 1996). Since that time, the species has been planted in the U.S. mainly for its unique ornamental qualities including colorful, autumnal foliage.


     

    July (Photo by J. Miller)


     

     

     

     

    The plants have tremendous reproductive potential. They may reach reproductive age in as little as three years and remain productive for 100 years (Duke 1983). In greenhouse experiments, some trees grown from seed flowered in their first year of growth (Grace 1997). A mature tree may annually produce an average of 100,000 seeds. An average yield per tree is about 30-48 lbs fruits which contain about 40% tallow and oil. The cake remaining after oil extraction is used for animal feed. The fruit consists of 27-33% tallowy seed coat, 36-41% shell and 29-35% kernel (dry basis). Both the outer seed coat and the kernel are very high in fat 55-78% and 53-64% respectively.”

     

    The Chinese Academy of Forestry stated “Tallow Tree (Sapium sebiferum) is an important woody oil plant in China, found in 15 provinces. It covers more than 200,000 hectares with annual output of about 85,000 tons. The oil is extracted from the seed of tallow tree. China has made certain achievements in the utilization of tallow tree fat and the exploitation of new woody oil plants in recent years. There is a small quantity exported, mainly to Europe and America.”

     

    Dr. PAUL A. OLIVIER Produced a Report call “From Field to Factory to Diesel Tank“ and said in part the following:

     

    “Louisiana farmers stand in need of a new cash crop, and the cultivation of the Chinese Tallow tree, an ideal oil bearing plant for biodiesel production, it would fulfill this need in a timely manner. Within just a few years after planting, this perennial plant bears seed and continues to do so for decades. Once established in Louisiana soils, as every farmer and rancher in the state can attest, this plant requires no irrigation, no herbicides, no fungicides, no insecticides, no tillage and very little fertilization. Its principle requirement would be an annual pruning and harvesting, and both could be accomplished in a one-pass operation using existing agricultural equipment modified for high clearance. This energy crop would create no soil erosion and runoff, and unlike conventional agriculture that heavily depends on inorganic fertilizers that deplete soil carbon, this new agricultural initiative would do just the opposite.

    Since the Tallow tree is highly resistant to drought, flooding, fire, cold, bacteria, virus, fungi, nematodes, mites, grasshoppers, beetles and all other insects that relish living biomass,the farmer would entertain very little risk in growing it, and since mature seed remain on the Tallow tree during fall and winter for well over two months, the farmer would entertain very little risk in harvesting it. With no growing or harvesting risk, the farmer would not need crop insurance, and since he would expend very little energy in cultivating this plant and transporting its seed to local biodiesel refineries, the entire supply chain, from field to factory to diesel tank, would be local, short and extremely efficient. Since the cultivation of this plant demands so little input from the farmer, no plant grown on Louisiana soils could possibly produce a fuel of a higher net energy balance.

     

    THE FOOD OR FUEL DEBATE

    But why do we extract oil from an edible, annual food commodity like soy or peanuts, when we could extract it from a largely inedible, perennial commodity that, unlike soy and peanuts, consumes very little fertilizer and fuel, and at the same time produces far more oil?

     

     

    BENEFITS

    If we were to take a relatively small portion of US farmland out of food production and devote it to the cultivation of the Tallow tree, our energy crisis would disappear, and eventually US farmers might realize that it is in the best interest of every American taxpayer if they were to compete in global food markets without government subsidies. Every farmer and every American taxpayer would benefit from this modest shift from food to fuel. As more farm land would be set aside for oil and alcohol production from the Tallow tree, food commodity prices would rise, our nation would import no oil to meet its transportation needs, our trade deficit would decrease, our dollar would increase in value, inflationary pressures driven by rising oil prices would decrease, and the United States would be less prone to engage in war in the midst of oil-producing countries that sponsor terrorism.

     

     

    CONCLUSION

    This proposal contradicts everything that Big Oil stands for, and it boldly predicts that the state of Louisiana, in less than 15 years from now, will be a world leader in the production of green energy. To do this it will have to make friends with a plant that it has always considered to be its enemy. But making friends with this wild and unruly pest should prove to be far easier than making friends with many of the countries who currently ship us oil.”

     

    My conclusion is that the Chinese Tallow Tree will be the new feedstock for the production of biodiesel. Soybeans yield about 50 gallons of oil and 1200 lbs of animal feed a year. Soybeans have to be planted every year, and need pesticides and herbicides. The Chinese Tallow Tree (CTT) needs to be planted once. In each acre planted, the CTT will yield about 600 gallons of oil and 1400 lbs of feed per year for the farmer, his children, his grandchildren and etc.... The CTT only needs to be harvested and pruned once a year in the late fall. The data shows that CTT will not take from the food chain, but add to it. We must push to have CTT as a major crop in our states, and to become major exporters of biodiesel and high protein animal feed. If all the southern States (SC, GA, FLA, ALA, MISS, TENN, NC, LA, ARK and TEXAS) plant 5% (22 million acres) of their land in Chinese tallow trees they would yield about 13.4 billion gallons of biodiesel and 15.8 million tons of animal feed a year. The top Universities in the South are working on using the Chinese Tallow Tree as a biodiesel feedstock.

     

    Abandoned Farmlands Are Key to Sustainable Bioenergy

    Biofuels can be a sustainable part of the world's energy future, especially if
    bioenergy agriculture is developed on currently abandoned or degraded
    agricultural lands, report scientists from the Carnegie Institution and Stanford
    University. Using these lands for energy crops, instead of converting existing
    croplands or clearing new land, avoids competition with food production and
    preserves carbon-storing forests needed to mitigate climate change. Sustainable
    bioenergy is likely to satisfy no more than 10% of the demand in the
    energy-intensive economies.”

     

    Jaricus A. Whitlock and Dr. Rafael Hernandez, Dave C. Swalm School of Chemical Engineering, Mississippi State University will do a study on In-Transesterification of Chinese Tallow Oil to Biodiesel.

     

    Siemann, Rogers, and Saara DeWalt, the Huxley Instructor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Rice University, are growing seedlings from seeds collected from states across the southern U.S.

    Credits

     

    1. USDA NRCS Plant Guide

    2. Invasive Plant Pest Species of South Carolina by Clemson Ext.

    David Whetsell

    PO box 84102

    Lexington,South Carolina,29073 phone 803-957-8694

    States with suspected infestations are shown in gray.

    June (Photo by T. Bodner)

    September (Photo by F. Nation)

  • 09-03-2008 11:36 AM In reply to

    • ccheek
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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

    1.26 million trees on 12 acres? must have been grown specifically to uproot and sell. all the guides i have seen indicate 6X6 spacing if you're growing them to maturity for harveseting. thats 1156 per acre.

    1.26 million, they must have gotten them out shortly after they germinated. hmmmm gives me a few ideas too.

    South Texas Jatropha Farms. http://biodiesel.blogdrive.com/

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  • 09-03-2008 01:14 PM In reply to

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    got something possibly up the sleve??? let me know man haha

  • 09-03-2008 02:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

    LOL. Hey Mike, good to see you. got a ? for you this time. how much are you paying for seedlings in florida?

    i know i paid 42 bucks plus shipping for my first plant. came out to about 63. yeesh. well at least its waist high now. i may get fruit off of it next year but im not counting on it. so let me know if you buy seedlings, and how much you're paying for them in florida ok?

    thanks bro

    cc

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  • 09-06-2008 09:33 AM In reply to

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    1250 trees per acre

  • 09-06-2008 11:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

    depends on how you space them.

    one acre is 202.8 feet X 202.8 feet.

    at 6X6 (the optimum spacing according to most growers in Brazil, India, Malaysia, The Phillipines, Mexico, the University of Florida and Texas A&M

    202/6= 33 trees per row

    33 X 33 = 1089 per acre

     

    at 5X5

    202/5 = 40

    40X40 = 1600 per acre

    what the guy in the article must have done was

    1X1

    202/1=202

    202X202=40,804

    40,804 trees X 12 acres =489648

    so he must have gone closer than that.

    say 6 inches. = 979296

    that STILL doesnt equl 1.26 million seedlings. so even closer?

    4 inches apart?

    if you're just uprooting them and selling them after they've gotten 8 inches high or so, that would work.

    i wonder how much he was getting per seedling?

    at 4 bucks, thats 5 million bucks for 2 months worth of work. provided you have a buyer for them.

    PLUS, another note, if he only got 12,000 seedlings out of 1.26 million seeds, he's doing plenty wrong to start with.

    I get over 80% germination rate on all of my seeds. closer to 90% actually.

     

     

     

    South Texas Jatropha Farms. http://biodiesel.blogdrive.com/

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  • 09-08-2008 11:54 PM In reply to

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    sir

    I am so happy to see at Last Florida is making waves iin Jatropha Plantations. India we  try this plant with water and fertiliser and biopest control since our lands are used for the past 3000 years so we need fertilisers and irrigation..American soil is rich in nutrients

    so Jatropha will be a top plant with high yielding oil seeds

    S.A.Alagarsamy

    www.mgrbiodiesel.com

    India

  • 09-09-2008 12:14 AM In reply to

    • Slippery
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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

    Ccheek and others,

    Have you investigated what, if any, toxins, are carried through to the glycerine? I am looking to importing JC oil from India but would need to know this because it becomes an important part of teh economics.

    If the toxins flow through to the glyc, you probably will have big hassles trying to dump the stuff.

    I have done some extensive searching but have not come across any sites that discuss this aspect yet.

    Your thoughts???

    Slippery Small steps taken one at a time.
  • 09-09-2008 07:27 AM In reply to

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    Slippery,

    I havent checked up much on the toxins per se, but, there are people in South America, and Central America, that boil the seeds, then use them for a snack. so the toxins are made ineffective by boiling, just in case you wish to eat them.

    you could, I imagine, consider that since you're not really going to eat it, that the toxins will be made ineffective again by the temp inside of a diesel engine, I am not sure, but i would venture to guess that the exhaust (85% less than petro diesel) will contain no toxins that are inherent from the oil itself.

    you dont really need to do the whole biodiesel thing if you happen to own an older diesel, just press, filter and put it in the tank, thats the biggest attraction to jatropha for me. no processing.

    no lye, koh, methanol, mixing, post wash, glycerin draining, you dont need a bd processor. just a tank waiting to be filled with fuel. preferably a tank in a vehicle.

    so no dumping of glycerin either. if you spill the oil, its not an oil spill, its a completely biodegradable, totally ineffective accident. its like dropping a banana or an orange on the ground. nothing's going to happen. the oil will soak into the ground and end up as compost material. just liquefied.

    i dont see any problems with the toxins, except one minor one, after the trees are say 6 months to a year old. it'd probably be best to wear latex gloves, with gardening gloves over them, and dont rub your eyes. wash your hands often if you break for lunch or whatever.

     

    South Texas Jatropha Farms. http://biodiesel.blogdrive.com/

  • 09-10-2008 06:45 PM In reply to

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    Thanks Ccheek,

    I do however think it is important to establish if toxins are retained in the glycerine.

    If I were to start using Jatropha as feedstock for Bd production, I would want to use the glycerine as an animal fodder additive. I could not do that if the glycerine is poisonous.

    Slippery Small steps taken one at a time.
  • 09-10-2008 07:59 PM In reply to

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    Re: Jatropha in Florida

    if you plan to process the oil from jatropha, and make it into biodiesel. dont you heat the oil to a certain temp before mixing in the lye and methanol? then add that to the oil and mix it, let it stand for some odd hours and then seperate the soap, the methanol and glycerine?

    if so, how hot do you get the oil? it would be very interesting to know the boiling point of JC oil. I believe, since you're going to heat it anyway, you possibly could just get it up to boiling, leave it for 5 minutes, then let it cool down before you add the other ingredients. then after you've mixed and let stand and drained off the glycerine, the toxins would have been nullified.

    but a BIG point to this would be, even after boiling the nuts (seeds) in central and south america, the people there only eat a few, say no more than 3 or 4. otherwise they still get a little ill from too much. so I would recommend, that if you truly wanted to grow jatropha, you obtain the non-toxic variety from mexico. I've read that they do have a strain that is non toxic. how far i'd trust that, i dont know, but then again Im not into that particular side of it all.

    the ME just cut another half million barrels per day in production to try and drive the price of oil up again. what i want to see is enough americans making biodiesel from every source so at some point, we can eventually tell the middle east to go drink their freaking oil, and after that, send us our money back and we may send over a few ships of wheat or corn or whatever foodstuffs we produce.

     

    South Texas Jatropha Farms. http://biodiesel.blogdrive.com/

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