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Hi folks. I thought it would be good to have a topic to discuss how much folks are paying for biodiesel, especially as compared to diesel fuel.
Newport Biodiesel (in RI) is a supplier that uses waste veggie oil from restaurants as their feedstock. Their bio prices are lower. As of 7/7/2008, here's their cost for road-taxed biodiesel.
Bueller? Bueller?
this seems strange.
i've read with great interest, of people here reporting they are making biodiesel at anywhere from .46 cents to $3.00 per gallon. wouldnt it stand to reason that biodiesel would be cheaper even from a retailer? i know companies wish to make a profit, but this seems to be stretching it a bit. if someone can make it at .46 cents per gallon. thats over 4 bucks per gallon profit? ok, take out a buck and a half for taxes. (and biodiesel is supposed to be tax free in some places, Texas is supposed to PAY 20 cents per gallon)
so what am i missing?
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Well here in Florida the tax per gal is 29 cents. Looks like the price of bio is the same as deisel here to 4.79 to 4.99 gals WHY I have not seen any places yet that sale the bio too. so what do I say MAke your own I guess
Sandy B
I think the government should give subsidize for biodiesel refinery in order to sell at below $2.00 per gallon at retail station in USA. by the way my company will make huge investments to plants Jatropha Curcas plantation(10,000 HA) in Indonesia by end of 2008.
BR.
Paul Alikin
www.begeusa.com
I get B20 for $4.29 in Ky. If B100 or B99 were $3.00 at retail they couldn't make enough to meet demand. So the price stays up. Yes, .46 per gallon is about right for manufacturing costs from WVO. Nice profit margin huh? Other problem is that if a plant had more capacity they could not get enough cheap oil. So some are buying from importers at a much higher price than WVO. So once again the price goes up.
I make a batch of BD whenever I get enough WVO (50 gallon or more). So that's just a $ bonus for that month. :)
Subsidies are IMO a bad idea for anyone. this is a capitalist society here, if you can make it, then do so. Dont expect anyone to bail you out. thats my biggest issue with any of this, whether its housing, banking, autos or biodiesel. why make john doe pay for your failed business venture?
national security? I call BS. business's large and small all over the world have either made it, or gone the way of the dodo for thousands of years. the government is responsible for national security and can do it without any effect on, or help from, some form of "rob the middle class to pay big business" form of taxation or subsidies.
and business can either make a product the public will want at a reasonable price, or get out of business.
You are exactly right ccheek. Which one of you guys has ever had a bad business and the government bailed you out...when I did it I just lost a bunch of money...ohh well on to the next venture. Goverment is here to protect us and educate our kids..not help us with our businesses, that is our problem.
heavyrig: You are exactly right ccheek. Which one of you guys has ever had a bad business and the government bailed you out...when I did it I just lost a bunch of money...ohh well on to the next venture. Goverment is here to protect us and educate our kids..not help us with our businesses, that is our problem.
On topic, D2 is solidly $4.70 - $4.80 and B100 is still $5.00 +.
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unless its really big? so if i go buy montana, (land is cheap there) and say i run a biodiesel business, and plant jatropha curcas which will freeze in the winter and die, i can expect the government to give me 48.9 billion dollars because my business was big?
utter horse hockey. doesnt matter how big business is, run it or go out of business, its not affecting national security but it will teach the younger generation how to learn from the mistakes made, and hopefully not repeat them.
we bailed out chrysler, right? so you'd think they could make cars for 4000 bucks each since we already paid them what 10, 20 billion dollars to bail their asses out? seems they'd pay us back with cheap cars that get 250 mpg. but no. gotta satisfy the investors first. their 10 billion dollar per quarter profit is most important.
i think the bigger a company gets, the more it had better learn how to operate itself. or let it founder, someone will come along, pay pennies on the dollar, buy it and run it like a company, not like a fricken hobo with their hand out expecting the US taxpayer to bail their stupid asses out again.
cant run a business properly, then get the hell out of business.
diesel just dropped a dime here in south texas.
no one is selling biodiesel, so no clue on prices there.
^^^ I agree, that's how things should work, but that's not how it seems to "work" in practice these days.
$4.599-$4.699 here in The People's Republic of Taxistan, otherwise known as Maryland.
old300D: ^^^ I agree, that's how things should work, but that's not how it seems to "work" in practice these days.
you're absolutely right in most cases, but a few airlines went out of business because they couldnt operate at current fuel and ticket prices. some were bought, some went bankrupt, some merged. so it seems some industries can get bailed out by the govt. I dont agree with subsidies though. pay someone NOT to do something? screw that. they can either plant what they want and sell it, or try to sell it. or do without for that year. there is no reason to subsidize anything. business will innovate and create, if left to their own devices.
if the govt bails out every business, what is the point of innovation, creation, thinking outside the box? there is none, they adopt the attitude, hell, we get paid no matter what we do, we can build cars and get paid, or we can play fricken solitare on computers all day and make the same exact money. which would you do? govt subsidies remove and kill the very idea of capatilism, creativity and innovation. they remove the reason to create faster, better, more efficient products.
the only good thing about subsidizing anything, is some lying, cheating, backstabbing, murderous, theiving politician gets to count on votes to stay in office and vote himself another raise.
so he subsidizes the XXXXXX industry with your dollars, then votes himself a raise with your dollars, lives in a 45 room mansion bought with your dollars, eats, drinks and craps on your dollars. America funds the world, up until the point where our dollar isnt worth the paper its printed on, much like it is now. who's going to fund the aides research, cancer research, alternative fuel research and every other research on the planet when the american dollar is worth nothing? who's going to feed the rest of the world? europe? HA! the ME, hope you like eating sand and oil.
subsidies throttle everything. its stealing from the poor and giving to the rich. exxon makes 11 billion dollars per quarter. you think they deserve one freaking penny of subsidies should they end up in the red or declare bankruptcy? i mean if someone blew up 90% of their rigs and pipelines, would you put forth some money to help bail them out of their troubles? what about the 500 billion they've made over the past few years? where did it go? didnt they put something away for a rainy day? or a terrorist day? or a hurricane day?
business is business, and the government of every nation shouldnt have jack to do with business except to ensure the safety of the workers, compliance with laws, whether they be emission control, monopolizing a market or something of a similiar nature. once you let the govt into business, thats when you end up with $400 hammers, $1200 toilet seats. costs overruns into the billions. todays government is corrupt through and through, in EVERY nation. it should be mandatory that a senator can serve one term, then get re-elected once. congressman too. city councils and every level of govt up and down the pike, then at least we stand a moderate chance of getting someone in there that has a shred of morality and decency, instead of the crooks that have infiltrated every branch of our govt.
just my 2 cents, oh crap, i forgot inflation and taxes. just my .00000000000000000000000002 worth.
Though the prices of biodiesel are not expected anytime soon to go down, it is still higly expected to become cheaper than petroleum diesel. This change will inevitably be a result of the rising petroleum prices. To understand which factors affect the price of biodiesel one must know where the fuel comes from. The price per gallon of biodiesel will be greatly affected by whether it is locally produced, travelled across the country r imported abroad, either by train, truck or ship. The source of the fuel which includes inedible kitchen grease, waste vegetable oil, rendered animal tallow, tropical palm oil, corn, canola or virgin soy bean oil also has a large bearing on its price.
The base of each gallon is the sum of raw materials cost (methanol, catalysy, heat, animal oil feedstock), market influences of supply and demand, plus taxes. Other factors affecting its price include transportation, distribution, permits, state regulation, and consistent quality assurance of the fuel.
Example:
Bay Area biodiesel filling station in San Mateo, Autopia Biofuels.
Info:
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H.C. Rineer in Strasburg, Pa has B99 for $4.189 and Hillside in Centreville, Md has it for $4.129 if you pay cash. I called a few places and those were the lowest and several were still at $4.729.
Hmmmm,
I just like the Bueller, Bueller!!
Petro diesel in Murrieta area as of 8-24-08 $ 4.40
B99 $ 4.50
Thomas
Here's the latest from Newport Biodiesel in RI.
$4.49 |per gallon
$4.24 per gallon
$4.29 per gallon
$4.59 per gallon
I just stopped on my way back to Cincinnati from New York at the renewable fuels Sunoco station check ... On I-71 between Cleveland and Columbus at exit 151 Mt. Gilead Ohio. (B20 = $4.43)
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Every time you post that picture, it makes me want to cry, it's so beautiful! We need to see that at ... EVERY. FREAKING. STATION. IN AMERICA!
Yokayo Biofuels B99.9 made from local recycled fryer oil currently goes for $4.99/gal including all taxes. Our prices are here, and our statement on pricing is here.
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