A discussion of marine applications has started under the BDN membership strand but I think it deserves it's own. I have been actively promoting the marine application of biodiesel since I started at Self-Reliance a couple months ago. I have just submited an article for publication in "On the Water" magazine, which I'm pretty sure will be published in their September issue. I'll be looking for other publishing opportunites as well, so if anyone has any suggestions or leads that would be great. Right now I'm in the process of putting together a mailing list of marinas on Cape Cod, and I will be sending them all some info about biodiesel soon. I'll be following up with phone calls to try to get them to offer it either from a pump or in containers of B100, and then coordinating their efforts to get it. We are also working on getting operations like whale watch boats, the island ferries, and charter boats to use B20. We have a couple of interested parties already and I'll be doing more toward that end when I'm done with the marinas. I have gathered quite a bit of information about biodiesel marine use and would be happy to answer questions about it and refer you to documents or people using it. Richard Lawrence, Education Coordinator for Cape and Islands Self-Reliance PO Box 3203, Waquoit, MA 02536. 888-808-0120 richardl@reliance.org

I agree that it will be good to have a separate Marine Biodiesel Initiative section. 2002 New Beetle TDI Powered by B100 Biodiesel

To All I think that the Marine Biodiesel should be listed under the Regional Heading. If Nate thinks so perhaps he could create the forum section and we could repost our material there. Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

Marine Biodiesel Stuff- The Sunrider, a 24" Zodiac that circumnavigated the work on biodiesel in 1994/95 (incidentally where I first heard about biodiesel). [url]http://www.biodiesel.org/Press%20releases/sunrider.htm[/url] [url]http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/biofuels_update/update2-4.html#Adventurer[/url] Channel Islands National Park Marine Biodiesel Program has been running a 56' boat on B100 since August 2000 and in a newly constructed 58' patrol boat since October 2001. [url]http://www.nps.gov/chis/pacranger.htm[/url] [url]http://www.nps.gov/chis/press101701.htm[/url] Ventura Harbor Marine Fuel began pumping B100 in March of 2002. [url]http://www.vhmf.com/[/url] Gulf Harbor Yacht & Country Club Florida's first biodiesel fuel marina. [url]http://www.wcicommunities.com/subpage.cfm?sec=wcistory&page=Press%20Releases&pr_id=203&nocontent=1[/url] Cytocultures Technical Handbook for Marine Biodiesel In Recreational Boats by Randall von Wedel Ph.D. [url]http://www.cytoculture.com/Biodiesel%20Handbook.htm[/url] Cytoculture has been providing marine biodiesel to 100+ boats in Richmond CA for over 7 years. [url]http://www.cytoculture.com/Bdiesel.html[/url] National Biodiesel Boards Marine Page [url]http://www.biodiesel.org/default2.htm[/url] than click on the marine header. Pacific Biodiesel Marine Page [url]http://www.biodiesel.com/Marine.htm[/url] Biodiesel Marine Marketing Opportunities: Successes and Challenges in the Chesapeake Bay by J.A. Weber, S. Howell, S. Hammond [url]http://www.marciv.com/papers/biodiesel_marine_marketing1998.htm[/url] The Continuing Biodiesel Adventures in "Putting the 'Bean' in Caribbean", James MacNiels sailing adventures in a 41' Ketch. [url]http://www.mdsoy.com/postcards/adventuremenu.html[/url] Biodiesel in the Marine Environment from Biodiesel Industries [url]http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/marine.html[/url] As always a plug for the Biodiesel Handling and Use Guidelines [url]http://www.afdc.doe.gov/pdfs/5845.pdf[/url] I post more information on other marine biodiesel applications once I get to my work computer. Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

wow, great info kent! I think this section is a great idea, as it's a huge potential market. 96 Passat TDI Lean Mean Green Bean Dream Machine

Looks like I'll have to update the Marine Links - http://www.biodieselnow.com/links.asp#Marine

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Wow! That's a small boat! No, but seriously, didn't I hear that the Staten Island ferry is running B20?

Inch- Feet eh', in boats size is relative. Although the Sunrider was 24 feet long it was equipped with modern navigational equipment to include radar, loran, radios and such. In addition I'm sure the course of travel was well plotted and planned in advance- On the relative scale when Columbus set sail the largest vessel in his fleet was the "Santa Maria" which was 58' and the smallest was the "Nina" @ 48', just twice the length of the Sunrider. I seem to recall hearing that good old Chris only carried rudimentary navigational devices and rumor has it that he had no idea where in the hell he was going. There are rumors of ferries both in the NY and SF areas starting biodiesel blend programs but progress has been slow. I know that there is a push to get biodiesel blend available at the SF fuel dock. A search of the Staten Island Ferry web site @ [url]http://www.siferry.com/[/url] yielded no documents with "biodiesel" in them. Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

just to set the record straight, the stuff you learn in grade school, the popular mythos regarding columbus, is BS. truth is columbus knew where he was going, knew where he was when he got there, and the very first thing he did when he got there was set up a thriving slave trade on the island of haiti. his crew forced the haitians to carry them around the island and supply them with gold (which wasn't actually all that available there, but they thought it was) in addition to selling all their families overseas. columbus was a murderer, rapist, plunderer, slave trader, and just about everything else. he died a very rich man as a result of his exploits. columbus day should not be celebrated by anyone but bin laden. Sadly, textbooks still teach this "columbus as hero" nonsense for the same reason they teach us that the revolutionary war had to do with taxes, that we actually cared about the holocaust in WWII, or that the civil war had anything to do with slavery - they make for good bland stories that are supposed to inspire patriotism. textbook manufacturers must cater to their large markets, and the large markets are places like california, texas, etc which keep a tight leash on what their students learn to avoid controversy. i suggest you read the truths behind history, especially the stuff you learn in school. you'd be amazed how angry it will make you, and how many lies you've been force fed all your life. history shows where we've been. it's vital, it's interesting, and it's been dumbed down and made bland in our schools. how many students do you know that like history? there's a reason for that and it isn't the actual subject's fault. 96 Passat TDI Lean Mean Green Bean Dream Machine

Way to stay on topic there, Derek.

i do what i can to promote truth wherever i happen to be. whether that happens to be the truth about biodiesel or history. ;) that said... yeah, i know. 96 Passat TDI Lean Mean Green Bean Dream Machine

The truth? What is this, the X-Files?

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times he will pick himself up and carry on." - Winston Churchill Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

Here is a marine biodiesel user from the south. In the waters off Club Nautical San Isidro, Argentina, Emiliano Huergo sails his ecological sailboat. The 10 meter competition boat uses only 100% biodiesel when not underway with windpower. This information is from [url]http://www.biodiesel.com.ar/[/url] a new find on the web. Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

My boat has an integral fuel tank-constructed of gelcoat. I have read that biodiesel's solvent characteristics can be hard on gelcoat. Is this something to be concerned about? I am currently running about 20-30% biodiesel diluted in petroleum diesel. Thanks, Paul

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[img]http://home.pacbell.net/tocho9/litehous.gif[/img] Marine Biodiesel Stuff- The Sunrider, a 24" Zodiac that circumnavigated the work on biodiesel in 1994/95 (incidentally where I first heard about biodiesel). [url]http://www.biodiesel.org/Press%20releases/sunrider.htm[/url] [url]http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/biofuels_update/update2-4.html#Adventurer[/url] Channel Islands National Park Marine Biodiesel Program has been running a 56' boat on B100 since August 2000 and in a newly constructed 58' patrol boat since October 2001. [url]http://www.nps.gov/chis/pacranger.htm[/url] [url]http://www.nps.gov/chis/press101701.htm[/url] Ventura Harbor Marine Fuel began pumping B100 in March of 2002. [url]http://www.vhmf.com/[/url] Gulf Harbor Yacht & Country Club Florida's first biodiesel fuel marina. [url]http://www.wcicommunities.com/subpage.cfm?sec=wcistory&page=Press%20Releases&pr_id=203&nocontent=1[/url] Cytocultures Technical Handbook for Marine Biodiesel In Recreational Boats by Randall von Wedel Ph.D. [url]http://www.cytoculture.com/Biodiesel%20Handbook.htm[/url] Cytoculture has been providing marine biodiesel to 100+ boats in Richmond CA for over 7 years. [url]http://www.cytoculture.com/Bdiesel.html[/url] National Biodiesel Boards Marine Page [url]http://www.biodiesel.org/default2.htm[/url] than click on the marine header. Pacific Biodiesel Marine Page [url]http://www.biodiesel.com/Marine.htm[/url] Biodiesel Marine Marketing Opportunities: Successes and Challenges in the Chesapeake Bay by J.A. Weber, S. Howell, S. Hammond [url]http://www.marciv.com/papers/biodiesel_marine_marketing1998.htm[/url] The Continuing Biodiesel Adventures in "Putting the 'Bean' in Caribbean", James MacNiels sailing adventures in a 41' Ketch. [url]http://www.mdsoy.com/postcards/adventuremenu.html[/url] Biodiesel in the Marine Environment from Biodiesel Industries [url]http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/marine.html[/url] As always a plug for the Biodiesel Handling and Use Guidelines [url]http://www.afdc.doe.gov/pdfs/5845.pdf[/url] I post more information on other marine biodiesel applications once I get to my work computer. Kent Bullard 84 MB 300D Turbobiodiesel B100 of Course

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Regarding integral fuel tank-constructed of gelcoat and its biodiesel compatability. I'd contact Randall von Wedel [url="biodiesel@cytoculture.com "]biodiesel@cytoculture.com [/url]about fuel tank issues. Randall wrote the "Marine Biodiesel Handbook".

I am purcharing a 40 ft Sea Ray express boat, 1994 w/1997 315 hp diesel engines. My son and I have started making biodiesel with a 60 gal kit we purchased. Do you have any suggestions?

TY

Bill and Will Savard

Bill Savard:

I am purcharing a 40 ft Sea Ray express boat, 1994 w/1997 315 hp diesel engines. My son and I have started making biodiesel with a 60 gal kit we purchased. Do you have any suggestions?

TY

Bill and Will Savard

If you have two separate fuel tanks I would keep one with petroleum diesel and use separate fuel filters so you can switch 'just in case.' I'd also be sure you filter and de-water your fuel prior to pumping to the boat. If you are relatively handy, be sure to have additional filters available for both your water separation filter and fuel filter. (do you have a two filter system?) Another thing to be careful with is with biodiesel storage -- water like to find it way into biodiesel and algae can be even more of a problem for fuel stored in the boat. Treat with an algacide and try to prevent long periods of biodiesel storage on the boat. Keep us posted on how it goes.