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  • 08-21-2006 03:34 AM In reply to

    • rbright970
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Supposedly there's a company called GreenFuel Technologies that is currently seeking patents for their commercial-scale bioreactor technology capable of growing enough microalgae to produce up to 10,000 gallons of biodiesel annually in conjunction with CO2 waste streams from flue gas emissions but since this is a "hot" technology, they are rightfully hesitant to share any information...has anyone heard of this company? http://www.greenfuelonline.com/ Two weeks ago they signed with the Australian based company, Victor Smorgen Group, and I have a feeling they will continue to expand internationally....does anyone else know about this company's algae bioreactor technology? Ryan Bright
  • 08-23-2006 01:16 AM In reply to

    • yannbeck
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Hi all ! This is a very interesting and exiting forum. About algae technology you may be interested by this article: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/06/kwikpower_acqui.html A lot is hapening now in Malaysia on the front of biodiesel plants. The key factor in this business will be the supply of organic oil. In fact, the poeple who will develop a successful way to grow algae may revolutionize the business. This would be a strong positive point in making Biodiesel economically profitable even with lower oil prices. If anyone feels like launching a venture keep me posted. Best regards. Yann Beck Yann Beck
  • 09-23-2006 05:02 PM In reply to

    • jhb89119
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    quote:
    Originally posted by ecogenics3
    dear mpjohnst, you might find our "grow your own algae" manual an Invaluable addition to your reading list... go to our ecogenics website and to the price list order form for info on it.. it is possibly the most comprehensive training manual on algar propagation and as an added bonus it also teaches how to grow tilapia fish which serve to feed the algae and also are a high ticket value added product.. this manual is the phase one manual which is mandatory for people wanting to learn how to grow algae in our closed loop ecosystems... The phase two manual will deal on oil yeilding algaes for biofuels but will only be available under licence and to individuals who have read and studied the phase one manual. phase two manual will be out this fall. yes there will be a test...lol....
    jhb
  • 09-23-2006 05:07 PM In reply to

    • jhb89119
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Why don't you just give him the information? He is doing research at an university and I am sure doesn't have much money to spend. You shouldn't use this forum for a sales pitch.
    quote:
    Originally posted by ecogenics3
    dear mpjohnst, you might find our "grow your own algae" manual an Invaluable addition to your reading list... go to our ecogenics website and to the price list order form for info on it.. it is possibly the most comprehensive training manual on algar propagation and as an added bonus it also teaches how to grow tilapia fish which serve to feed the algae and also are a high ticket value added product.. this manual is the phase one manual which is mandatory for people wanting to learn how to grow algae in our closed loop ecosystems... The phase two manual will deal on oil yeilding algaes for biofuels but will only be available under licence and to individuals who have read and studied the phase one manual. phase two manual will be out this fall. yes there will be a test...lol....
    jhb
  • 11-05-2006 07:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    http://www.perc.org/perc.php?id=320 not that im advocating adding bazillions of tons of iron to the oceans of the world, but i thought there might be some value to adding this guy to the reading list. i think he also shows the amazing capability of the earth's abundance with just a bit of tweaking. and with the oceans covering 75% of the earth, i think its time we start trying to 'farming' them. and what is floating around in almost every sq ft of ocean? algae ofcourse.

    flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! -Virgil

  • 04-05-2007 01:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Just wanted to mention this little article about a company (Aquaflow) in New Zealand that is using algae from sewer ponds.

     http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0605/S00030.htm

    but the article is from May 2006.  I'm just going to check if there is more info about the company on the web.

     

     

     

     

  • 07-02-2007 05:24 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Hello - I am a reporter working on a piece about potential uses for the algae in Madison's lake. I found this old post of yours and was wondering if you still lived and studied here in Madison. If so, would you be willing to discuss with me your work on algae as a biofuel.

     

    Thanks, Ben Popper

    Correspondent - Capital Times

    popper.b@gmail.com

  • 07-04-2007 03:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    I recently found a really cool website, which led me to this one incidentally, all about algae biodiesel.
    http://www.oilgae.com/
    Hope it helps.  Hope I'm not the 50 millionth person to show this to you!
  • 07-04-2007 03:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Oh, I guess I responded to a really old post.  I guess I should pay better attention!  It's still an awesome website for anyone interested in this topic.
  • 12-04-2007 04:24 AM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Biodiesel is not so sexy when you start calculating! Please read following article: http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf Thermodynamics rule! With kind regards, Sander Hazewinkel
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  • 01-10-2008 01:50 AM In reply to

    • Slippery
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    www.nanostring.net - says it is coming soon - maybe you have another address or can copy and paste the article???

    Slippery Small steps taken one at a time.
  • 01-18-2008 04:32 PM In reply to

    • DIJEY
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

     ...but the pdf-link is still working. There is also an additional document http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudyFollowup.pdf

     Best wishes

     Dirk

  • 01-18-2008 07:01 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Sander Hazewinkel:
    Biodiesel is not so sexy when you start calculating! Please read following article: http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf Thermodynamics rule! With kind regards, Sander Hazewinkel
     

    The paper you are referencing is well known and is well known to have flaws.

    Even when discussing its primary point about Greenfuel Technology's specific approach to algoil biodiesel.

    However, the paper does not adequately address the entire algoil biodiesel field and it certainly does not have anything authoritative about biodiesel in general.

  • 01-25-2008 08:03 AM In reply to

    • rww7
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Transparency will do the industry no harm. The article did bring the claimed yield down from 11 gall/m2 per year to a more conservative  1.2 gallons/m/y. With costs ranging from $100-$190 /m the economics might still make investors suck in their cheeks. Does anyone have a benchmark set of realistic commercial algae yields and cap/op  costs that could serve as a rule of thumb? I'm trying to accelerate the technology in a developing country with  a suitable climate,  coal  power stations and land to spare but there has to be a local employment story and tangible social benefits. Is anyone working on a holistic study of how a new algae growing and bio-refining industry (perhaps with multiple biomass feedstocks) could deliver the triple bottom line - jobs, training, contracting feedstocks from local farmers, supplying low cost fertilisers, treating sewage, links to agriculture...Will it only work commercially on a macro scale- 10s of 1000s of acres of green ponds or vast vertical structures, or could it flourish with aggregated stocks from local suppliers using small scale aquaculture? 

     

  • 01-26-2008 01:48 AM In reply to

    • liberty1
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

     Rww,

    The kind of questions you are asking are far in advance of where we are.  First we need to work out the technical details and learn how to "farm" algae.  Then, after we have some practical experience, people can prepare documents for NGOs.

    You are invited to help us develop the technical details and learn "farming". 

     

     

    Toward freedom, Bobby
  • 01-26-2008 08:22 AM In reply to

    • rww7
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    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    Liberty1.

    Thanks. Glad to.  

  • 01-26-2008 10:59 AM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    rww7:
       The article did bring the claimed yield down from 11 gall/m2 per year to a more conservative  1.2 gallons/m/y. With costs ranging from $100-$190 /m the economics might still make investors suck in their cheeks.  

    rww, this is exactly the reality slap that people dont want to do. They want to talk about the pipedream but no one wants to do the hard numbers. After even the most simple of calc's, you can see that the value of fuel is no where near the value that it needs to be to be able to develop the infrastructure of PBR's.

    The leap of faith that algoil will rule the world has almost turned into a new religion. And just like the others, this religion is opium for the mind...

     

    flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo! -Virgil

  • 01-27-2008 09:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List

    I dont know where those $100 and up figures come from its absurd to think that people would be stupid enough to spend that much In fact i seriously doubt it

     unless they are  dumb enough to be:

    A. spending too much money building thier infrastructure such as complex PBRs,

    B. are paying themselvers  big salaries and are sucking off the government tit and embezzling money which i think is happening more often than not.

    C.  are not Factoring in value added products  in thier business plans that if properly considered would make enough profit to basically make the production of algae bildiesel  a negligible cost.

     D,Just plain dont know what the hell they are doing.

    or have  careless enough like  so many of the people who have built mega million gallon biofuel plants with out doing due dillegance and considering the logistics in a logical manner.  as evidenced by the incredible number of biodiesel plants that find themselves without anything to run thier plants on (what is it, 90 plants shut down so far? after spending how many  gazillion  of our dollars? whats that all about? fraud or sheer stupidity?)

    It is unfortunate that so much misinformation is causing such confusion.

     In our business plan, the production of  a cascading stream of high value products in conjunction with growing algae  make it possible to more than make profit ...enough so as to make it possible to produce biofuels from algae at low cost  and in effect make it possible to put algae based biofuels on the market at a dramatically  lower price than petrofuels. Ive said it before and ill say it again. Ive posted numbers on this forum in the past that support the above either people cant read ot they are just to set in thier minds to think out of the box.

    .Ive been growing algae for thirty years and have producing  biofuels  since 1978 that is a matter of public record.. only for a very short time did we use food related feedstocks such as corn, for the great majority of time since 1978 we have used alternative feedstocks,

     had we not done this, we would, like so many others  in this field, have folded or would be folding but instead we are growing and still leading the way in cutting edge thinking.

     were not claiming to be smarter than  anyone else and anyone who knows me, has dealt with us or has attended our seminars will tell you im a down to earth practical individual who is intent in making this technology available to as many people in as short a time possible.

    yesterday we had fifteen students from the university of tennessee learning how to make biodiesel, hands on.  next week we have  members of various corporations that we will be training on  biofuels from algae, in the next two months we will have members of two universities as well as  masters level students from five mexican universities attending our algae to biofuels training seminars as part of the TIES initiative...... so I am not being a braggart or an egotist when I say... algae to biofuels will become an essential part of the national fuel supply at a lower cost than the naysayers or the uninformed are claiming and it will be done sooner than later. 

    marc

     

     

    Marc Orion Cardoso www.ecogenicsresearchcenter.org
  • 06-29-2008 04:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List: Prospects for the Biodiesel Industry

     

    PROSPECTS FOR THE BIODIESEL INDUSTRY


    Where we've been.

    The biodiesel industry has reached a crisis point. The demand for biodiesel has promoted the construction of a large number of biodiesel plants. These refineries use the oils from many plants, but especially soy. The cost of seed oil has risen dramatically because of the rise in petrodiesel costs to farm and the demand for ethanol as an additive to gasoline. Ethanol is used in the processing of biodiesel.


    In Europe, many of the biodiesel plants have been moth-balled because of the high cost of oil seed oil. Imperim Renewables, Gray's Harbor WA, is finishing a 100,000 million gallon per year plant, with no assured source of vegetable oil. They are reluctant to import palm oil because of the adverse ecological impact of the palm plantations. Other refineries are facing the same supply issues.


    The favored source of oil, algal oil, has been touted as the liquid fuel source of the future – and indeed it is. Most early investors put their money up to fund the construction of algae farms. Guess what? They proved they could grow algae using a wide variety of technologies.


    Where we're at.

    Slowly, it dawned on these producers and their investors, that while they could successfully grow algae, they had only very inefficient means of extracting the oil from the algae cells. The universities were of no help since most of their funding was to discover ways of growing algae and tweaking the DNA. None have developed any new technologies to extract the oil in a continuous, large volume process.


    There are ways of fracturing the algae cell to get at the lipids floating around in the cytoplasm. Heat, pressure drop, impingement, solvents, crushing, grinding with small ceramic bebees – all have been tried. Yet much of the technology, derived from the lab bench was not scalable to commercial standards, except at great cost and poor results.


    AlgalDiesel to the rescue.

    We are a small group of highly energized professionals who have found the technological “sweet spot” for harvesting the Chlorella vulgaris cells and extracting the algal oil. Included in our talent mix are mechanical engineers, an agricultural engineer, a computer scientist, a lawyer, airline owners and an biodiesel plant design-and-build specialist. The process of harvesting the mature “parent” cells and returning the “daughter” cells to the head of the growing system has been solved. The opening of the Chlorella cell is done by osmotic rupture, leaving the cell wall intact, looking like an opened flower. The cytoplasm and the cell walls are separated and then the lipids (oil) removed, returning the balance of the cytoplasm to the algae production system to add to the nutrient. The cell walls can be dehydrated and sold as a health food supplement or fermented into ethanol. The wash water used to clean the raw biodiesel is laced with Phosphorus and serves as a nutrient.


    The remaining mechanical issues are: how big do we make the system to handle what quantity of algae? If our clients will tell the quantity, we can build the machinery to handle the clients' request. We are not dealing in rocket science. We are not interested in doing study after study like the universities and think tanks. We want to build the machine the client wants and get it into operation fast. We will stand behind our work and tweak the equipment when necessary. We are constantly on the look-out for new ideas. The technology in this field is a moving target, and we move with it.


    In terms of scale, our designs will serve two primary markets: The small farmer cooperative of fifteen to fifty members, using at least 100,000 gallons of biodiesel a year, and the larger farm which is producing algae which converts to 10 million gallons of biodiesel a year. While the equipment we build (the cell harvester and the cell rupture machine) are fully scalable, some of the equipment we buy from others has not been scalable, except by installing a bank of units. These units include filters, separators, polishers, and solvent recovery devices. We are working with many of these vendors and encouraging them to scale up their equipment. We have encountered the age old problem of “why invent, develop and make a much larger machine, since no one has demanded such machine”. Before Xerox was invented, no one demand a Xerox copier.


    We have the science and engineering talent in our firm and the advanced knowledge of where technology should be driven to solve the “Xerox” conundrum. We will not likely be on the front page of the WSJ any time soon. We are not interested in selling out to an oil company, merely to see our patents and technology suppressed. We know that Chlorella divides 2.5 times per hour. The growth/harvest cycle is about ten days as against annually for oil seed crops. We can grow the algae in cover ponds in the middle of winter in Montana on non-crop soils. We can grow it on dry desert lands. We can make our own distilled water. The wash water can be used to grow algae and other crops. The co-product, glycerol, has many profitable uses, despite what you may have read about the glut of raw glycerine on the market. We want to use the “free” energy of geothermal wells, the Sun and wind energy. We want to be as green as we can get with the smallest carbon footprint.


    Contact information:

    AlgalDiesel, LLP

    530 NW 13th St., Corvallis, OR 97330

    Landline: 541-757-9797; cell: 541-971-0403; Skype: jimmiller5417 or 541-359- 3676. Attention: James E. Miller


  • 06-29-2008 07:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Biodiesel from Algae: Reading List: Prospects for the Biodiesel Industry

     congratulations, we wish you the best in your endeavours sounds like you have things well in hand... may you attain quick and easy progress in this important work.

    by the way I noticed that this thread includes an early post of ours from september 2006. since 2007 the we folded in both phase one and phase two into our manual both are now integrated into one  in which we describe various special procedures relating to lipid extraction procedures in some detail for biodiesel production as well as procedures for extracting complex sugars (fucans) from algae, this..... for ethanol production.

    marc

     

    Marc Orion Cardoso www.ecogenicsresearchcenter.org
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