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Last post 05-03-2008 05:52 PM by unixcowboy. 48 replies.
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  • 11-03-2007 09:36 PM In reply to

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    Hi,

      I could possibly be of help to your  local farmers if they are interested in having me help design and build them a large scale Biodiesel batch processing system.  .I work in the hydronic heating trades and am very familiar  with heat exchangers, pumps, agitators for mixing,  immersion type heating elements and other related  electrical componets. I also have built and have in operation  a small Biodiesel processing system that will be capable of producing 600 gallons per day as soon as I finish two more wash tanks. I have been producing Biodiesel fuel now for aprox. two years and have been using it in my own equipment as well. If you are serious about setting up a large Biodiesel batch processing system ,give me a call or e/mail me.  Thank You,  

             Duff Streeter      www.michiganbiofuel.com         phone# 989-473-3330
     

  • 11-13-2007 12:21 AM In reply to

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    Maybe you could help me find the best source for methanol in Mid Michigan. My searching has been less than encouraging.  Looking to buy 55 gal at a time or possibly larger. Thanks in advance.
  • 12-28-2007 07:56 AM In reply to

    Re: Cooperative

    Is this thread still alive?

     I live in Ypsi and commute to Lansing.

    I'm very much interested in a BioDiesel coop.

  • 12-29-2007 08:18 AM In reply to

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    I live in Miflord and am also very interested in BioDeisel...

    I am a Mechanical Engineer with manufacturing and instrumentation experience.

    I have a 1/2 ton pickup truck we can use to collect WVO.

    I am going to purchase a TDI wagon in the spring

    Is this thread still alive... otherwise I will do this on my own..

    I can be reached at 248-219-5821

    Thanks

    Greg 

  • 01-04-2008 10:38 AM In reply to

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     If anyone is listening...

     I just talked to Duff Sweeney who seams to have expert level knowledge of Bio-Diesel process equipment, processing & use. He has been at it for several years and runs his product in his own equipment.

     I have a couple of points to make:

    1) Processing QUALITY bio-diesel takes a significant level of dedicaton and knowledge.

    2) I dont think that anyone wants to ruin the engine in their Diesel vehicle cause they went some low tech low cost route

    3) A co-op is the best way of spreading out cost and labor, but a coop implies larger batchs to keep all the members tanks full. I figure a 10 member co-op should be capable of producting about  70-80 gallons per week.

    4) 70-80 gallons per week would mean having a system with a max capacity of about 100 gallons per week. (Cause it won't be manned 52 weeks a year).

    5) A system with this capacity will have to be highly durable and reliable. We don't want to be constantly fighting breakdowns and high maintenance. Duff appears to have developed this type of system 

    6) Duff says that a 100 gallon/batch system is about $10,000. If you split this up amongst 10 people it's not such a bad investment.

    7) Simply purhasing a processing system from Duff will save us TONS and TONS of wasted time and $$$$$. Plus we have access to his wealth of experience and knowledge.

    I would rather spend the money up-front rather than

    1) Destroy a VERY expensive engine

    2) Spend countless hours (that I do not have) experimenting and building and re-building and dealing with process issues.

    A rough outline for a Co-Op may look something like this:

    1) All co-op members contribute a equal portion of $$ to buy one of Duff's units

    2) Co-Op members will be given Bio-D "credits" based on

        A) Amount of WVO gathered (like 1 gallon for every 2 collected)

        B) Amount of hours contributed to the running of  processing plant. (like 2 gallons for every hour worked)

    3) Co-Op members will be responsible for their own methods, containers and transportation costs for collection of WVO.

     Is anyone listening? Any thoughts? Anyone interested in a road trip to Duff's place to check his setup out?

     

    Regards,

    Greg Juviler

    gjuviler@comcast.net

    248-219-5821 

  • 01-12-2008 06:02 PM In reply to

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    Hi Greg,

    I just got my account straightened out with the site administrator!!    I am sorry for being off the site for so long,,as I am not very computer savvy anyway..  If anyone is still interested in having me build you a custom biodiesel fuel processor let me know and I will see what I can do for you.. The systems I prefer to build are stainless steel construction which allows you two very important points to consider,  first the system will last indefinately and second stainless will take more heat and more abuse so you won"t have to worry about  the fact that plastic tanks can fail.   That could cause a dangerous situation and is not something I think we need to go into any further.

    Also if anyone is in Michigan, and you are looking for a price on methanol,,,which was up to $4.75  per gallon here about a month ago.,, Now the best price I have found is $3.35 a gallon if I pick it up..At that is  if you buy it in the 55 gallon drums like I do.  You can still make biodiesel fuel and save yourself some money over what you would pay for it at  the pump.even at $3.35 per gallon for  methanol right now.  I hope to try to answer some of your question now that I am back on the site and hopefully some more folks will come forward and get into the world of making their own fuel too..  Thanks,,Duff Streeter   www.michiganbiofuel.com 

    Phone# 989-473-3330 

  • 01-25-2008 05:53 PM In reply to

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     Duff,

     I just talked to a guy (Steve Coventry) that runs a fleet of semi's on WVO. He filters it down to 3 micron then puts it in the tank. During the summer he  runs WVO 100% during the winter he cuts it 50% with dino diesel. He lives kindof close to me and has several commercial buildings. He is very interested in setting up a real processor. The main problem for him is getting enough WVO.

     I am starting to meet more people and get more people interested.

     I will keep you informed as things go along.

     My goal for February is to get at least 20 people interested and get their contact info. From those I hope to get at least 10 to put their $$$ where their mouth is.

    See ya

    Greg 

  • 01-25-2008 10:17 PM In reply to

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     Greg,

    Thanks for your reply.That sounds good about the people out there that are interested in getting your co-op,up and running.I hope it all comes together for you so we can sit down and design a processor that will meet your needs. I am currently working on designing two processors right now with more coming down the road,I hope. Keep me in the loop and hopefully everything will fall into place for you. Thanks, Duff Streeter   www.michiganbiofuel.com 

  • 05-03-2008 05:52 PM In reply to

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    Sort of late to get in on a Feb meet, but thought I'd chime in....

    Got my '93 Dodge 5 yrs ago with the intention of running biodiesel, that's why I picked up one of the older models. I checked and found they LOVE bio---

    Now I'm retired I have time to invest in production - from collecting raw oil to producing the final product. Being situated in the central part of the state - Lansing - I could help both sides of the state.

    I don't use near the fuel I did when I was working, but I still hate $4.25 dino-diesel. Esp since I've retired and can't afford $100.00 fillups at the 1/2 tank level .

    Let me hear from any of you that might like an extra hand.

                 Larry
     

    Lansing, Mi
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