Re: Biodiesel in the Philippines

purplhze

macario

I read that the quality of a particular biodiesel meets ASTM standard by doing a so-called 3/27 test.  The test is so simple that any ordinary person do anywhere using 27 ml of methanol and 3 ml of the biodiesel.

 

Jan's 3/27 Test is indeed a good indicator of conversion, if you fail the test you are most likely NOT ASTM spec.  However, passing the test only indicates you CAN be ASTM spec.  And the test doesn't tell you anything other than conversion, there are a  lot of other parameters to be fully ASTM

I personally use to test often and it suits me just fine.  But if ever I was going to get into full-time commercial production then I would insist on getting fully tested in the laboratory to avoid liability and legal issues.

 

 

If WVO is also expensive and difficult to find, and the other feedstock - coconut oil,  is better sold as is, what are the chances of homebrewers succeeding in producing biodiesel that would favorably compete with petro diesel?  Meron na kayang jatropha oil na pwedeng magamit?  

davest,

     I am interested in buying or making my own Biodiesel processor. Can you quote, How much is a complete Biodiesel Processor?

I am here in Cebu City.

Manny G.

My e-mail: mgxcomp@gmail.com

Mac...

 

Well honestly this is why most of us homebrewers have stopped making biodiesel for now.  Commercial production is a different matter as biodiesel is bought and sold as an additive where it's price can exceed P100 a liter.

 

Jatropha oil is supposed to become an alternative and cheap source of oil.  Problem is there doesn't seem to be any farms of commercial size at the moment. All news clips, posts and whatnot I have come across are of people selling jatropha seedlings, or in the planning stages of investing in a farm, there are also companies enticing other people to invest in a jatropha plantation (sort of like a communal harvest arrangment I think).  But of a real live existing commercial plantation, I have not heard of any.  Nor will I in the next year or so as Jatropha is said to need 2 years before it will put out its first crop.

 

If you want to be succesful as a homebrewer you have to figure out your feedstock.  IMO any feedstock P25 and below is already a good deal.  You can make biodiesel somewhat cheaper than petrol.  If you can't, then there is something wrong with your process.

purplhze

Mac...

 

Well honestly this is why most of us homebrewers have stopped making biodiesel for now.  Commercial production is a different matter as biodiesel is bought and sold as an additive where it's price can exceed P100 a liter.

 

Jatropha oil is supposed to become an alternative and cheap source of oil.  Problem is there doesn't seem to be any farms of commercial size at the moment. All news clips, posts and whatnot I have come across are of people selling jatropha seedlings, or in the planning stages of investing in a farm, there are also companies enticing other people to invest in a jatropha plantation (sort of like a communal harvest arrangment I think).  But of a real live existing commercial plantation, I have not heard of any.  Nor will I in the next year or so as Jatropha is said to need 2 years before it will put out its first crop.

 

If you want to be succesful as a homebrewer you have to figure out your feedstock.  IMO any feedstock P25 and below is already a good deal.  You can make biodiesel somewhat cheaper than petrol.  If you can't, then there is something wrong with your process.

 

Purplhze,

Thanks for your very informative reply. 

Mac

 

 

 

If anyody's interested in selling my remaining biodiesel setup which is a 300l liter processor, oil vacuum dryer, wash tank and a number of settling tanks. Email me for prices at superfunkibey@gmail.com

 

This is my car - runs on diesel. Friend said to try biodiesel - cheaper, safer for the environment. (See Flying V statement here). So far fuel efficient (estimated at 11-13 kms/liter CITY driving).

vehicle brand and model: HYUNDAI ACCENT 2009 MODEL

engine displacement: 1.5 CRDi = 1,493cc
(See http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/showroom/passenger/accent/spec_3door.html)

current mileage: 781 kms (bought last Sept. 27, 2008)

fuel used: Shell Diesel Ultra

kms/liter (city driving): 11 - 13 kms/liter

 

Oct. 21 was the last drop of my 1st full tank. I remember only loading 38 liters. At 496 kms, the gas light started blinking. The following morning at 499.8 kms, it was time to gas up again. Ergo, at best with 38 liters of gas, that is 499.8 / 38 liters = 13.15 kms/liter. Assuming I had 45 liters in the tank at the time, 499.8/45 liters = 11.10 kms/liter.

kms/liter (highway): still untested as of today, Oct. 31.

Has anyone used Flying V's Environtech BIODIESEL? Comments anyone? Safe? Fuel efficient? Non-damaging to your engine? Where is the nearest Flying V gas station to Makati? (Or should I say BIODIESEL station?)

Needless to say that if Flying V Environtech BioDiesel is cheaper, safer, cleaner, and gives equal or better mileage, why not, right?

Hi Neilo, I too am a biodiesel enthusiast. I just recently discovered this forum on biodiesel in the Philippines. We have been producing our own biodiesel but we are not selling it commercially for various reasons. We are instead using it for our own family owned transportation fleet. I am a chemist at the same time with a law degree with specific interest in envi and energy law. The law on alternative energy in the Philippines is constantly upgrading.(which I think is generally good) This is also closely connected with the recently passed renewable energy law. Recently, DOE is I think drafting a new guideline which will be followed when the required biodiesel blend will be increased from 1% to 2% by 2009. I am considering also commercial production specially when the diesel price reached almost 50 because while the copra/coconut price lowered to 20/kg. The market prices of copra is so unstable, sometimes it could reach 40 but it can suddenly drop down to less than 20. Hopefully, if the biodiesel market is already well established, then copra/coconut price may also be stable. DOE I think has provided a flowchart for CFAR accreditation. In any case, you can reach me at 0905 247 2829.

neilo1st

Hello Noelnash,

I am a balikbayan living in London, UK. I have been been making my own biodiesel from waste vegetable oil for over 2 years now. I was hoping you could tell who to contact regarding the law on biodiesel in the Philippines. My biodiesel passes all of the european quality standards.

I have read several posts on this forum that mentions some people selling their home-made biodiesel. Are these people registered to sell? and how much tax are they returning to the government?

Does your supplier have an email address i could contact him on?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Neilo Agullano

10th August 2008

The chances of biodiesel competing with petro diesel??? here are my thoughts: 1. If based on price per L alone, the chance of biodiesel being competitive is slim. But I was not able to believe it when diesel prices reached almost 60 a month ago and copra price went down to even less than 20 per Kg. Given these prices, biodiesel MIGHT be able to compete based on a price per L comparison. But of course law of supply/demand will also tell us that if the demand for biodiesel increases, then price will also go up. However, it might not be a good idea to compare biodiesel and petro diesel on price alone. We also have to consider other factors. 2. If we consider other factors, then biodiesel is competitive. Based from experience blending biodiesel with petrodiesel results to fuel savings. There are varying accounts on this matter but I tired 1 to 20 percent blends and found out that blending 3% to 5 % biodiesel acutally results in a net savings. This is supported by scientific theories because biodiesel has a higher energy content compared to petrodiesel. Meaning, you'll go farther with a liter of biodiesel compared to a liter of petrodiesel. So we must take into consideration the energy content of the fuel, instead of pirce / L alone, in order to make a more sound comparison. 3. We must also take into consideration emission factors. Vehicles are now required to undergo emission testing before registration. You can also witness along edsa cor. ayala, kalayaan ave, vito cruz, etc. that trucks are favorite victims of emission enforcers. Most of them fail the test because most trucks in the Philippines have second hand engines. As a result, nagiging extorsion practice tuloy. Truck/fx and van drivers experience constant hassle of being flagged down by emission enforcers. They also have difficulty in passing the emission test in renewing vehicle registration. But if they use biodiesel, the emission is drastically reduced. I acutally expereinced this with just 10 % blend. A truck which was not able to meet emission standard was able to pass the emission standard with 10% biodiesel blend. In the end, even if on a price / L analysis mas mahal ang biodiesel, truck owners MAY use biodiesel to meet emission standards and they can in the end save money. 4. Try other feedstock in order to lower biodiesel production cost. As was said, jatropha plantation in the Philippines is not yet well in place. But there are cheap WVO sources, some even for free!!! this way biodiesel can be produced cheaper. Good Luck Mac!

macario

purplhze

macario

I read that the quality of a particular biodiesel meets ASTM standard by doing a so-called 3/27 test.  The test is so simple that any ordinary person do anywhere using 27 ml of methanol and 3 ml of the biodiesel.

 

Jan's 3/27 Test is indeed a good indicator of conversion, if you fail the test you are most likely NOT ASTM spec.  However, passing the test only indicates you CAN be ASTM spec.  And the test doesn't tell you anything other than conversion, there are a  lot of other parameters to be fully ASTM

I personally use to test often and it suits me just fine.  But if ever I was going to get into full-time commercial production then I would insist on getting fully tested in the laboratory to avoid liability and legal issues.

 

 

If WVO is also expensive and difficult to find, and the other feedstock - coconut oil,  is better sold as is, what are the chances of homebrewers succeeding in producing biodiesel that would favorably compete with petro diesel?  Meron na kayang jatropha oil na pwedeng magamit?  

Hi Rtomines, could you give me some inf. / list out  the accredited biodiesel manufactuers in Philippines? Many thanks in advance.

just read ur message of 6/12/06 to hks and got some education about  Phil BD.  A lot of  events must have transpired in 2 years and BD production in RP must have multiplied by now. Please update me. I sometimes read about Chemrez and other producers. Is the use of BD taking traction with local motorists and fleet operators?  You seem to be well versed with the technical nuances of BD which is fine. The kind of data I'm looking for pertains to chemical comparisons of CNO with other feedstocks such as soy beans and rapeseeds. Do you have this? I would really appreciate your response.

Hi, I am also a CME enthusiast and an OFW in Riyadh for more than a decade. I wasted long years in overseas for nothing and would like to go home for good. One of my plan is to start a backyard Biodiesel production in my home province.  I do not know if you are the right one who can help me to learn the technology of biodiesel production but I appeal for your assistance. May God Bless you and your family. My email address is rico2hermoso@yahoo.com

hi, we are conducting our feasibility study as as our requirement in school, and we chose bio diesel as our study. i just want to ask if you can give us information on how to make bio diesel from cooking oil and what kind of machines are being used to produce it. you can email me to this address doctorjackal07@gmail.com. thank you.it will be very helpful if you reply as soon as possible.thank you.

Good evening , this is manny , I was interested in using bio diesel as my fuel in my pick up with a diesel engine in it. Is it alright to use this for fuel, is there any disadvantages in using it. What

is the current effect to to those people who are using bio disel for their engine,What are the minuses in using it. If ever is there any possibilities in putting up a biodiesel station and your  company is the

 source?. How do you sell your finish product. I like to have some info. on your retail and wholesale price.

What are the requirements for being a BIODISEL dealer.

Thanks.