Re: biodiese as alternate fuel realization in the Phil

Hello Mr. del rosario, I am really interested in having my own BDP (Biodiesel Processing) and saving the environment and my wallet, but I really have limited know-how, I googled on tutorials but still i think that on hand training is still the best for me, do you know where I can get that training or someone here in ncr or luzon that actually 
have a bdp and willing to impart that knowledge so I could visit and learn? Thank you.

Terence Yap

we should learn to make our own fuel like biodiesel and not rely to commercial biodiesel we will make them rich like petro base company. why not make your own.

 

Unlike any other fuel for modern engines, biodiesel can be made at home without investing heavily in special equipment or earning a degree in chemistry. Is biodiesel worth the inconvenience or the extra work? That depends how strongly you feel about using a renewable fuel that can be produced domestically.

 

Sir na try ninyo na ba sa pajero?

Btw I like you post sir.

 

 

hi:

 

my fiancee is at UP los banos and is from bicol, camaranous norte (probably spelled it wrong, sorry).  i am here in california, but i am looking at setting up a processor in the PI, cebu tentatively, but could be bicol.  lots of issues you and i need to talk about, not as easy as you might think, because the feedstock is to expensive to make straight biodiesel competitive with petrodiesel.  but there are ways around that.  you can contact me at "lafayetteporter@hotmail.com".  i was just in the PI a week ago working on the business plan for a processor, continuous with a capacity of 500,000 liters per month.  email me and we can see what will happen.

 

lad porter 

Hi Frank,

Could you please provide me your cell/landline numbers? im planning to visit your biodiesel plant next year (Jan 08)

Thank you,

NatB.

click357@hotmail.com

 

Iran and Iraq are full of oil underground, yet are always gasoline starved...

i dont know what is your problem regarding with fool proof method but i have tried and tested our biodesel with DOE standard we pay for the test of  total glycerine and free glycerine passed the test if you are not comfortable with fool proof method it is your problem. you can make biodiesel on manny different method  and for sure there are method that will suit your requirement or how you feel comfortable with, but if you are saying the processed from JTF web is absolutely misleading and incorrect you are wrong for me all of the available processes are correct and produce biodiesel. diesel engine is sturdy engine you can used pure coconut oil, other used vegetable oil some mixed kerosene to used vegetable oil and other used virgin coconut oil second extract. for sake of simplicity pure coconut oil can be used as fuel for diesel engine provided that you know how to do some modification to engine to suit the requirement. so i challenge your allegation regarding the fool proof method......   

purplhze

 

Mr. Frank Del Rosario seems to be no longer involved in Phillipine biodiesel in anyway because he has moved to Canada.  I know this as a fact because I paid for his services in constructing my own biodiesel system at home afterwhich he went incognito a few months later.  He did later say in an email communication to me that he has migrated to canada because of new opportunities.

 Anyways, with my own experiences with biodiesel. I can state with conviction that the method showed to me by Frank and written in the JTF website is absolutely misleading and incorrect.  I was not able to produce any form biodiesel with this so called "fool-proof method".  And  according to info on this and other forums nobody was ever able to make biodiesel from the "Fool-Proof Method" either.

This happened almost a year ago.  I have been producing biodiesel since then with major changes to frank's design and by following the Single Base Transesterification method used by most homebrewers in the U.S and with a lot of help and advice from the biodiesel yahoo groups.  You should join some because they are very friendly and helpful.

 I am still working to get my fuel ASTM spec but I'm getting closer,  My last glyc test came at 0.5 percent which is a big drop from my previous numbers.  This is a perfect example of how difficult things get when you work with a screwed setup in the first place.

So anyways, If you or anybody here in the Philippines wants to talk about biodiesel, make it, sell it or start our own dynasty with it just give me a ring at 0927-2713617 

 i dont know what is your problem regarding with fool proof method but i have tried and tested our biodesel with DOE standard we pay for the test of  total glycerine and free glycerine-"passed the test" if you are not comfortable with fool proof method it is your problem. you can make biodiesel on manny different method  and for sure there are method that will suit your requirement or how you feel comfortable with, but if you are saying the processed from JTF web is absolutely misleading and incorrect you are wrong. you know what for me all of the available processes are correct and produce biodiesel. you have to understand diesel engine is sturdy engine you can used pure coconut oil, other used vegetable oil (WVO) feature in discovery channel, the one i know he mixed kerosene to used vegetable oil and other used virgin coconut oil second extract all of the above works with diesel engine. for sake of simplicity pure coconut oil can be used as fuel for diesel engine like what Japan Automotive Engineer test provided that you know how to do some modification to engine to suit the requirement. so i challenge your allegation regarding the fool proof method and by telling me with your conviction that fool proof method is misleading and incorrect......you have to understand deeper what is diesel engine where the inventor dream that vegetable oil will be used to fuel his invention before posting damaging statement........ 

My statement about the incorrect information stated in the "Foolproof Method" is not limited to my own experiences with it but also of the people in the biodiesel.infopop forums who have tried it, plus various biodiesel yahoo groups.

You state that the diesel engine is very sturdy and can take in various fuels even pure vegetable oil is beside the point.  If I wanted to use pure vegetable oil in my diesel then I would not have gone to the trouble of asking you to design a system for me right?  But I wanted to produce BIODIESEL, not thinned vegetable oil or modified vegetable oil, but pure BIODIESEL.

Now if you categorically state that your Biodiesel was made with the Foolproof method and passed the DOE testing than I challenge you to show us your certification from the DOE.  I have also been having my biodiesel tested at DOE and PIPAC, and I know the procedure.

Also, I would like to ask everybody who is interested to make a google search about the "Foolproof Method", you will find that the only positive reactions about that method will only be from the JTF site itself.  You can read an in-depth post about someone who actually tried the method here.  http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/629605551/m/328607547

Even a biodiesel homebrew expert like Maria "girl mark" Alovert has gone and debunked this method ( read http://www.girlmark.com/blog/index.php?m=200601 ) so it is quite amusing that you still harp about the method's success. Curious, if it was so successful for you why did you leave the country?

And considering I paid for your services that time,  I am really glad you made a reply here Frank.  Your answer and manner just proved to me what kind of person you really are.

  

 

 

 

 

 Curious is sugarcane something that could be grown in th PI with little investment?

  I ask because the cost of alcohol used to produce biofuels in the US seems to just be going , all the time. It drives our food prices up as well.

  I wonder if in the PI individuals could act collectively and produce the alcohol. Maybe ship it here and the US could trade you biofuels and or cash and you could expand your production there. If the alcohol cost less to produce there and ship here or else where you might realize a better profit margin.

  I'm getting at economicaly it makes sense to do what we do best here and trade with people that do what they do best where ever they are. In the end we both get clean burning alternative  fuels and hopefully both get compensated for our efforts.

   In such a scenario it might be more profitable to produce and refine sugarcane than palm oil. 

 

 

This is an email I got from Mr. Frank Del Rosario.  Notice how he ignores the points I made in my previous posts and just engages in a personal attack on my abilities.  My answer to you Frank is what can you say about the other people who tried your beloved "Foolproof method" as indicated in the web links I gave?  Will you attack their abilities also?  Abilities of people like of Maria "Girl Mark" Alovert, the author of the best hombrewers guide in the market today, and other notables in the biodiesel forums.  You can say that I am still inexperienced, but what can you say about them?

Oh and another thing Frank, the need to "adjust" for FFA levels is whats called Titration.   Anybody who reads up on the "Foolproof Method" knows that in this method there is no titration.  

 So if you now espouse the need for Titration then you yourself have proven that the "Foolproof method" is a fake.

 Note that I am not debunking acid esterification which is a legitimate procedure provided that proper methods and quantities are followed.  What I am claiming to be fake is the "Foolproof Method' mentioned in the JTF site which is also the method which you said I should use. 

Please next time read more thoroughly before you answer to avoid putting your foot in your mouth as they say.

 

 

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Hi,

I'm from Negros. May I know where to get a  biodiesel processor?

Right now we are looking for someone who can provide us tons of jatropha seeds in the Philippines.

Hope to hear from you.

Naomi 

naomi

Hi,

I'm from Negros. May I know where to get a  biodiesel processor?

Right now we are looking for someone who can provide us tons of jatropha seeds in the Philippines.

Hope to hear from you.

Naomi 

 

Hello Naomi...

 

My processor is still up for sale if you're interested.  Email me at superfunkibey@gmail.com

 

 

 

Hi,

We selling jatropha seeds here in DAVAO, for more information please contact us at  +63 927 214 4449 or email me at thesalman@gmail.com

thanks!

 

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Our oil press can press the jatropha seeds to oil for biodiesel, we also can offer all the processing line equipments(from jatropha seeds to biodiesel), if you are interested in, pls feel free to contact me as follows:

 

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