20T OF JUICY MANGO v/s 5T OF TOXIC JATROPHA!!!

From "Say No To Jatropha" http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/jatropha/ 20T OF JUICY MANGO v/s 5T OF TOXIC JATROPHA!!! Mad Rush For Jatropha. Friends, An hectare of cultivable land could yield 20 T of juicy nourishing Mango or other fruits and even more vegetables for their low production cycle but annual average yield of Toxic Jatropha from a hectare of land is expected to be 5 T under well managed conditions. Farmers can earn over Rs 1,00,000/- per hectare from mango cultivation but will only earn Rs 25,000/- from Toxic Jatropha. It is most shocking India is only interested in Most Useless Projects and Plans. Let our grains rot before releasing them for consumption. Tolerate adulterations an exploitation by middlemen. There is no focused plan to raise Mango, fruits and vegetable promotion program. India can export millions of tones of mango fruit alone. And buy petroleum from the international market. But there is mad rush for Toxic Jatropha. There were two seminars in the Vigyan Bhawan where the major thrust was on Jatropha cultivation. There was so much rush that I couldn’t get the seminar papers so I returned home after the inaugural session. Hindu stories and Greencarcongress.com web site gives conflicting yield figures. I have taken the average figure, which is based on two considerations, better farm land will not opt for Jatropha. Rs 5,000/- per ton is the rate offered by a company in TN for Jatropha seeds. At this rate it will not compete with conventional crops. We were told the jatropha oil can be fed directly to diesel engines but in fact need refining. From the three stories we can see that Rs 15 crore refinery is required to process 1 lakh acre of seeds production. 10 million hectares is 250 times larger are. Unlike petroleum refineries, Jatropha refineries will be medium size and need substantial investment. It is also ignored that dense crop of 20 feet high Jatropha crop will draw very substantial quantity of water from the ground, depleting it to a point to dry up water for conventional crops. Three News Stories follow this message. Ravinder Singh SBI to provide loan for jatropha cultivation in TN Jatropha to be cultivated on 1 lakh acres http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/04/11/stories/2005041101731300.htm http://www.thehindu.com/2005/04/10/stories/2005041008570400.htm Chennai , April 10 STATE Bank of India (SBI) has entered into an agreement with D1 Mohan Bio Oils Ltd to promote contract farming of jatropha for bio-diesel production. SBI's Chennai Local Head Office and D1 Mohan Bio Oils, a joint venture between Mohan Breweries and D1 Oils, UK, entered into an agreement under which the bank will give Rs 130 crore credit to farmers to bring one lakh acres under jatropha cultivation this year. Addressing presspersons after signing the agreement, Mr M. Nandagopal, Managing Director, D1 Mohan Bio Oils, said that the one-lakh acre will be spread across the State and will include wastelands and irrigated lands. The credit support will cover 90 per cent of the cost of cultivation and the farmers will have an assured market for the crop. Mohan Bio Oils will supply seedlings, chemical inputs and cultivation technology to the farmers. It would buyback the jatropha seeds to process them to produce bio-diesel that can be used as an automobile fuel. It will set up a Rs 15-crore processing plant near Chennai to produce about 8,000 tonnes of bio-diesel from 25,000 tonnes of seeds, annually. This will be a pilot plant that will be followed up with one-lakh tonne capacity plants in each district in Tamil Nadu once the availability of the oilseed increases, he said. According to the Chief General Manager of SBI, Mr Pradeep Chaudhuri, the crop loan is insured by New India Assurance Co. The total cost of cultivation comes to about Rs 10,760 an acre in wastelands and Rs 19,560 an acre under irrigated conditions. The crop loan would cover 90 per cent of the cost. The loan would be disbursed in four instalments a year. Mr Nandagopal said that the company has cultivated and studied the crop over the last three years and it would be profitable. The farmer can look forward to an income of at least Rs 40,000 a hectare. It is a perennial crop that will yield seeds for 30 years. Responding to a question on marketing, he said that though the Centre is yet to come out with marketing guidelines for the bio-fuel, there is a strong demand for the product in the domestic and international markets. The crude bio-diesel can be blended with automobile fuel or further processed for use directly as fuel. This would also yield glycerine as a by-product, which is in demand across a wide range of industries. According to officials the bank has also entered into a similar agreement with Ahimsa, a Chennai-based NGO, which plans to cover 70,000 acre under jatropha. Ahimsa has entered into a marketing agreement with a unit based in Kakinada, Andhra Pradesh, which would purchase and process the seeds. © Copyright 2000 - 2005 The Hindu Business Line XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX By Our Special Correspondent CHENNAI, APRIL 9. Jatropha cultivation is to be taken in a big way in the State under contract farming. The State Bank of India and the Mohan Brewaries will jointly identify nearly one-lakh acres for the cultivation. All eligible farmers will be financed under contract farming for taking up the cultivation. A memorandum of understanding (MOU) was signed here today between the bank and the company at a function. Chief general manager of the bank P. Chaudhuri said the bank would finance up to 90 per cent of the cost of cultivation, which worked out to Rs. 10,760 per acre under dry land and Rs. 19,560 under irrigated condition. The crop would also be insured against losses. The company would purchase harvested jatropha seeds at Rs. 5,000 per tonne or at the market price, whichever was higher. The sale proceeds to the farmers would be routed through the bank after deducting the loan component. The loan would be disbursed to the farmers in four annual instalments and the repayment will start after four years. Managing director of the company N. Nandagopal said the crop would be a boon to farmers as it who could earn Rs. 10,000 under dry land and Rs. 18,000 under wetland conditions. The bio-diesel produced from the seeds would be Euro II standard making it environmental friendly. The company was supporting jatropha cultivation in about 1,000 acres. It would set up a processing plant with a capacity of 3,000 tonnes of oil per annum as a pilot project near Chennai. It was planning to set up plants of one-lakh tonne capacity each in all districts at Rs. 100 crores. On the absence of a clear government policy on marketing the bio-diesel, Mr. Nandagopal said bio-diesel manufacturers had written to the Centre seeking permission for direct marketing. He said the country could earn considerable foreign exchange as there was good export potential for the bio-diesel. © Copyright 2000 - 2005 The Hindu April 14, 2005 State Bank of India Funds Jatropha Cultivation for Biodiesel http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/state_bank_of_i.html UK-based D1 Oils, through its 50:50 Indian joint venture, D1 Mohan Bio Oils Ltd., signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the State Bank of India for Rupees 1.3 billion (approximately $30 million, or €23 million) in funding for farmers in Tamil Nadu to plant up to 40,000 hectares of jatropha. The anticipated yield is between 100,000 and 120,000 metric tons of crude jatropha oil per annum (assuming the full 40,000 hectares are planted). In January this year, D1 Mohan announced it sought to plant up to 100,000 hectares of jatropha across India in 2005. D1 Oils has the option to export 25% of the raw oil to its international customers, with the bulk of the oil being retained for domestic (Indian) biodiesel production.

Dear sir, Mango is good and no one is conflicting your arguement and in what way you compare jatropha with Mango that is rather embarassing. The concept of the members in this forum is to slowly eliminate Petroleum Diesel and each and every country has its own potential of oils. U.S has the ability with Soya and European countries with Rapeseed and corn. The African countries are the one naturally to develop Jatropha and it is suggested as a vital source in Indian Waste lands and Dry areas where there is no irrigation or adequate rain for growing our regular crops. The people by and large globally accepted in principle to go for a eco-friendly fuel and therefore let us not discourage the movement outright and it is always essential to look into the result practically instead of dragging some one's views and that too not connected to this thread. I trust the authors while posting their topics should consider the overall views of the other members in adiplomatic approach instead of abusing each other. I myself do not like the Tri-esterfication of oils in India which again involves alchohol and indeed Iam trying to find a different method of removing Glycerine. As a matter of act we must fight jointly to resist the use of Petroleum in India.K.1

Thanks. As you know I am not against biodiesel plants.I am against the Jatropha particularly its large scale plantation inspite of fact that we are already having millions of indigenous plants like Karanj. By the way, I am waiting for the scientifc replies on the questions I have raised yesterday and some one has assured me to give the details today. Pankaj Oudhia

Mr.Pankaj. In 1984 I happen to see a fire acceident on the outskirts of Chennai. A lorry Tanker carrying White petrol was made to stop due to some repair in the middle of the highway. The nearby villagers saw the tanker leaking and started looting the leaking fuel. Then comes the tragedy some Milk vendors travelling in their Bi-Cycles with huge cans filled with Milk meant for delivery to Hotels suddenly emptied their cans and started filling their cans the fuel and that time a miscreant came to watch the site with a cigerate by mistake and ultimately that small piece of cigeratte not only killed those stupid milk vendors but also so many innocent lives totalling to more than 50.Now let me ask you What is to be prevented in future can you please suggest? Mind you this is not a story and it is a fact. I condemn the bulk transport of Petroleum veichles especially wher innocent folks work.

I am observing that you are making the issue as diesel vs.biodiesel. In fact the issue is Jatropha vs.Karanj (exotic plants vs. Native plants). Try to be specific while answering but at first understand the topic of discussion. It seems you have no scientific literatures in support of your on going Jatropha promotion. Still you are not replying about native plants like Karanj. What will happen if authorities stop promoting exotic plant Jatropha and start using native plants like Karanj to prepare biodiesel?? Are you having any clear explaination? Pankaj Oudhia

For New Members of this Forum Jatropha - A curse for bio-diversity. Jatropha - Cancer causing plant. Jatropha - Harmful to birds and Cattle. Then why we are planting it in our homeland? This Group is for discussion on all the negative aspects of so-called Bio-diesel crop Ratanjot (Jatropha).The members will find all the negatvie information about this exotic plant at one place. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/jatropha/ Pankaj Oudhia 'Say No To Jatropha' campaign

Courtesy The Deccan Chronicle dated today Chennai edition. I happen to read an article really fascinating one on the artificially ripened Mangoes and its implications serious in terms of causing diseases if consumed. The author is a researcher Mr.ganesan of Dr.M.S.swaminathan research Institute and he says exactly what I said in one of my posts regarding the comparison of Mangoes with Jatropha. Thanks to the scientist who admits my simple opinion on Mango plantations and its impact if fruits are originated by using calcium carbide in commercial way. The author says such products will cause vomitting,diarreah,and abdominal pain due to the toxinity present in calcium carbide. I request the scientific community to suggest some other process matching the organic method of using drygrass and leaves cover to fuse the raw mangoes.

Baseless arguements. I am again suggesting the Jatropha promoters to depute some knowledgable persons for proper discussion on Jatropha issue. What is the relation of carbide and Mango with this issue? Really ridiculous. Pankaj Oudhia 'Say No To Jatropha' campaign

Hello please read the paper first and ask the question to the author for his article on mangoes who too a scientist. when you compared Jatropha plantation with sweet Mango juice It is our duty to post the pros and cons of such plantation too.

Read the paper? Where is the paper sir? Pankaj Oudhia 'Say No To Jatropha' campaign

Deccan Chronicle chennai edition of today.

Put it to this forum for sufficient discussion. Pankaj Oudhia 'Say No To Jatropha' campaign

STOP SPAMMING THE FORUMS! Stick with ONE thread (and only one) to convey your opinions about jatropha.

Very interestin comparision Mr. Singh.

Yes. jatropha/karanj shall be a intercrop in man go plantations. My friend MM and MSM in Tamilandu and AP are doing in a big way. Bhadrinath.

Karanj as intercrop????? It shows your ignorance and it seems that you have yet not seen Karanj in field.